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Do you not consider the ability to just straight up run past defenders at least 1-2 times a game to score from nothing to be a good thing? I'm not arguing that welliton isn't overpowered/paced,etc, but thats the whole reason people complain about him, he is way too good.

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02-16-2013 , 11:00 AM

#3602

Sc00by

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,485

Yea Klose is good but I think in terms of raw effectiveness and EV Welliton is quite a way better. Ive played a lot of games with both.

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02-16-2013 , 11:08 AM

#3603

whyalwaysme

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 261

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Originally Posted by cashy

he feels like a poor-mans balotelli
not very quick, not very strong, not a great finisher, not great in the air
good allrounder who has no standout qualities

the standard card i have to agree abit

if you have the coins spare get the IF built my bpl/bbva team and torress is soo good finishing 1-1 is soo easy i even hit one shot near post and he decided to slam it top corner far post lol

most fun ive had wth any player works very well with sifcazorla behind too

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02-16-2013 , 11:30 AM

#3604

ezakuroy

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,315

**** 90th minute goals

Not sure if handicapping is real, but no way that 45th/90th minute scripting doesn't exist

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02-16-2013 , 01:01 PM

#3605

Sc00by

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 4,485

You know EA is trolling you when you get beat 4-0 and your opponent agrees EA was trolling you, haha

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02-16-2013 , 01:18 PM

#3606

Mintewek

adept

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,158

selling 500k coins on xbox, any1 interested?

prefer taking stars, can send first to trustworthy members

what's the usual rate?

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02-16-2013 , 01:52 PM

#3607

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

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Originally Posted by surftheiop

Do you not consider the ability to just straight up run past defenders at least 1-2 times a game to score from nothing to be a good thing?

you only get into situations to just run past defenders if you hit hopeless long trough balls up to him and get a lucky bounce or something

for a decent player sprint speed just is not a very important stat and i take a player with superior ball-control, finishing, dribbling, shot power etc etc over him any day of the week

welliton has mediocre ballcontrol, okish finishing, bad dribbling, decent heading(he is too small tho), mediocre longshots, mediocre shot power and mediocre passing
okish positioning, good agility and great acceleration and sprint speed
= useless

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02-16-2013 , 02:21 PM

#3608

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

has anyone tried IF Lamela?
90 ball-control, 94 dribbling :O

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02-16-2013 , 02:25 PM

#3609

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

oh sick, this is only like 250k coins

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02-16-2013 , 02:59 PM

#3610

surftheiop

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,162

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Originally Posted by cashy

you only get into situations to just run past defenders if you hit hopeless long trough balls up to him and get a lucky bounce or something

for a decent player sprint speed just is not a very important stat and i take a player with superior ball-control, finishing, dribbling, shot power etc etc over him any day of the week

welliton has mediocre ballcontrol, okish finishing, bad dribbling, decent heading(he is too small tho), mediocre longshots, mediocre shot power and mediocre passing
okish positioning, good agility and great acceleration and sprint speed
= useless

How is something hopeless if it works 1-3 times a game, every game? By that logic taking free kicks is beyond hopeless because people only score one of those against me like 1 out of 4 or 5 games.

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02-16-2013 , 03:15 PM

#3611

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

it works 0-3 times a game because you hit like 50 aimless longballs to him hoping for a luckboxx rebound which usually only happens due to a physics glitch

playing a pass expecting to lose possession like 90% is frigging hopeless

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02-16-2013 , 03:32 PM

#3612

surftheiop

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,162

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Originally Posted by cashy

not sure why your saying I do this particularly, its not the best way to utilize his pace/acceleration, generally if im looking to "pace abuse" I just play a longish normal pass from a defender up to welliton, then play the give and go backwards and do a short lob over the backline with kaka/hernanes and welliton runs under it.

And from a more hypotethical EV standpoint, lets say the long ball looses possession 90% of the time, but the other 10% of the time it leads to a 50-50 chance of a goal, then that seems extremely +EV.

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02-16-2013 , 03:37 PM

#3613

WalterS

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,842

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Originally Posted by cashy

It's not much different than playing 10 passes expecting to lose each one 20% or whatever mathematically. Not that I do it either, but your logic is very flawed just because you hate people that play that way.

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02-16-2013 , 04:29 PM

#3614

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

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Originally Posted by WalterS

It's not much different than playing 10 passes expecting to lose each one 20% or whatever mathematically.

which is only true if you are frigging awful

and of course i hate people who play that way, it has nothing to do with real football and is just a way to exploit game specific glitches/randomness and destroys all the fun

i win against 90% of those guys anyway(the other 10% is them running very hot while getting battered) just by being patient in possession probing for real openings making sure they get as few counter-attacking possibilities as possible

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02-16-2013 , 04:31 PM

#3615

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

IF Dzeko is amazing btw
highly recommend

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02-16-2013 , 04:53 PM

#3616

surftheiop

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 5,162

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Originally Posted by cashy

which is only true if you are frigging awful

and of course i hate people who play that way, it has nothing to do with real football and is just a way to exploit game specific glitches/randomness and destroys all the fun

i win against 90% of those guys anyway(the other 10% is them running very hot while getting battered) just by being patient in possession probing for real openings making sure they get as few counter-attacking possibilities as possible

Why isnt it fun playing against people who let you have 65% possession? I love playing against teams like that

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02-16-2013 , 04:53 PM

#3617

JRustle

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,030

lol pace players are not just good for the idiots that do lobbed throughballs from their Def, it makes it sooo much easier to get the extra yard of space you need for a good shot. i cant remember the last fast break goal i scored with welliton but most of his come from dancing around the outside of the box and then hitting a longshot, or just being faster/stronger than the defender when you do one of the first time crosses.

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02-16-2013 , 04:54 PM

#3618

kkcountry

BBV MS Paint Rapid Response Squad

Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 31,263

mmmmmmm just got two delicious voice messages from some bad kid whose all pace brazilian squad i just sliced up

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02-16-2013 , 05:05 PM

#3619

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

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Originally Posted by JRustle

it makes it sooo much easier to get the extra yard of space you need for a good shot.

thats acceleration not pace(which is a combination of multiple factors)
players like el shaarawy have great acceleration but lack overall pace

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Originally Posted by JRustle

just being faster/stronger than the defender when you do one of the first time crosses.

thats "reaction" "positioning" and "strenght"
nothing to do with pace either

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Originally Posted by kkcountry

mmmmmmm just got two delicious voice messages from some bad kid whose all pace brazilian squad i just sliced up

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02-16-2013 , 05:19 PM

#3620

JRustle

adept

Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,030

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Originally Posted by cashy

thats acceleration not pace(which is a combination of multiple factors)
players like el shaarawy have great acceleration but lack overall pace

thats "reaction" "positioning" and "strenght"
nothing to do with pace either

ah ok ty, dont usually pay attn to the hidden stats but will be on the lookout. anyone else with good hidden ones than el sha?

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Originally Posted by kkcountry

mmmmmmm just got two delicious voice messages from some bad kid whose all pace brazilian squad i just sliced up

lol i just got banned from communications on XBL for replying to a kid like that through the messages.

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02-16-2013 , 05:21 PM

#3621

WalterS

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,842

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Originally Posted by cashy

Which is why I said "or whatever." Point is, regardless of play style you are going to fail/turn it over a huge percentage of the time. Doesn't matter if it's 1 pass or 10 passes before that happens.

In any case, I don't do many lobbed through balls at all. I do counter-attack a bit but almost always keep it on the ground/try to make safe passes. I was just pointing out the failing of your logic.

I like playing against those type of guys. I'm very good at defending the lobbed through ball now and love it when they just give me possession back over and over again.

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02-16-2013 , 05:26 PM

#3622

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

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Originally Posted by JRustle

ah ok ty, dont usually pay attn to the hidden stats but will be on the lookout. anyone else with good hidden ones than el sha?

lol i just got banned from communications on XBL for replying to a kid like that through the messages.

IF lamela has insane dribbling/ballcontrol
amonst the best dribblers in the game but his endproduct is somewhat lacking(not a good crosser or finisher)

IF Gaitan is amonst the best "oldschool wingers"
good acceleration, amazing agility/ball control/dribbling and an outstanding delivery

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02-16-2013 , 05:53 PM

#3623

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

adjusted it to not contain any players from my two main squads so i can adopt this as 3rd
pretty neat imo

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02-16-2013 , 10:21 PM

#3624

whyalwaysme

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 261

Iflemela was ok for me but i had him rm so wasnt overly effective def great with the ball though.
Whats the fasinstion with higuain see a ton of people using him, i really dont see why he is any good his base stats seems so very average so unless his reaction and att pos are in th high 90s i must be missing something

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02-17-2013 , 06:44 AM

#3625

cashy

we have welbeck

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 29,767

IF higuain has superb ballcontrol/dribbling
in combination with great positioning/reactions, unbelievable finishing, very good longshots, 4* star weak-foot and decent enough link-up(passing) and heading it makes him the perfect poacher

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