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Pretty brilliant by pdox - most people that would play CK2 prob already bought it, so now they recruit some more people to get on the DLC train if they play it and like it.

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07-30-2013 , 02:48 PM

#127

fnord_too

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Ugh. I never got into eu 3, got distracted by other games while on the learning curve. But tempting deal is tempting.

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07-30-2013 , 05:49 PM

#128

lycosid

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

What CPU do you have?

Unfortunately if it's super old, new CPU also means new motherboard, possibly new RAM. You should be able to get a decent video card for pretty cheap though.

btw TWO WEEKS GUYS!!!!!1111!!111!1 GET EXCITED

You Have: Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4500 @ 2.30GHz

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07-30-2013 , 06:31 PM

#129

goofyballer

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Laptop?

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07-30-2013 , 09:31 PM

#130

goofyballer

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What are your guys' first playthroughs going to be? I'm thinking France, should be a much more interesting game for them than EU3 being in such a precarious position.

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07-30-2013 , 09:36 PM

#131

Daer

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Ottomans 4 life

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07-31-2013 , 12:42 AM

#132

Nonfiction

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Prolly Venice or Hansa, wanna try out new trade. Gotta learn all new mechanics so i can style on you fools in mp.

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07-31-2013 , 06:45 AM

#133

GodSmackJack

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What kind of learning curve are EU3 players expecting for this game? Also, has anybody ran into some guides out there to help get new players ramped up?

I really want to like this game. Historical context, depth and replay ability seem pretty dope.

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07-31-2013 , 08:08 AM

#134

HotzenplOdds

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Originally Posted by GodSmackJack

Would be interested in this as well. Have never played any of the EU series but I love games like Civilization.

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07-31-2013 , 09:05 AM

#135

Nonfiction

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Game should be easy to learn especially if you have experience in similar grand strategy games like Civ.

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07-31-2013 , 09:08 AM

#136

lycosid

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Laptop?

yea

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07-31-2013 , 09:53 AM

#137

Ratamahatta

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Originally Posted by GodSmackJack

Also, has anybody ran into some guides out there to help get new players ramped up?

I really want to like this game. Historical context, depth and replay ability seem pretty dope.

Just play the game and consult EU3 wiki. There you can find bunch of country guides and guides by reference.

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07-31-2013 , 10:49 AM

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Roger Mainfield

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Here are the 3 tiers of nations, the higher the tier the more missions, decisions etc. I will prob play my first game with a tier 1 before playing the tier 3's I spent the most time on in EU3.

Tier 1
England - Arguably the winner of the time period.
France - Big blue blob is a must here, no game is complete without a strong France dictating western Europe.
Ottoman Empire - the major complaints on EU3 was the fact that they didn't become the historical threat they were.
Castille/Spain - We all want a big Spanish colonial empire on the map.
Muscowy/Russia - another failure of EU3 was that russia didnt form often enough, and you ended up with a fractured east.
Sweden - Swedish agression is what shapes the northeastern quarter of europe.
Portugal - in history and with our new trade system, their impact in the first 2 centuries changed europe forever.
Austria - The central european player that affected half of europe.

Tier 2
Netherlands
Poland
Venice
China
Denmark
Brandenburg/Prussia
Persia
Timurid/Moghuls
Japan

Tier 3
Genoa
Burgundy
Lithuania
Mamelukes
Viyanagar
Oman
The Hansa
Scotland
Bavaria
Ayutthaya
Aragon
Milan
Korea
Hungary
Norway
Novgorod
Naples
Bohemia
Byzantium

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07-31-2013 , 08:14 PM

#139

goofyballer

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Burgundy tier 3??

The dev diary on them doesn't seem to give them much credit for being a huge power, either. Weird, they look like they're in such a sick position.

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08-01-2013 , 11:40 AM

#140

Momo

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So I've never played any EU games but my core gaming buddies are/were bonered up on EU3 and are similarly excited for EU4. I decided to take the plunge and buy EU4 and see how this series is. Wish me luck.

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08-01-2013 , 12:39 PM

#141

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Tier 3 is because they have few events, I mean historically they disappeared pretty quickly in this time period which means they cant have unique historical events for their country.

Also, new dev diary is alskdhskdjfasjk;fhajks;fasldjk

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...ially-Improved

AI sounds awesome, no more being able to trick them with peace deals, and seemingly sensible diplomacy, gg.

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08-01-2013 , 01:03 PM

#142

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Oh my god. That DD is like....

This truly could be the greatest game of all time

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08-01-2013 , 03:20 PM

#143

goofyballer

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Are my thread titles not accurate?!?

Last edited by goofyballer; 08-01-2013 at 03:20 PM. Reason: brb, going to update the SC2 Terran OP thread

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08-01-2013 , 03:31 PM

#144

BAIDS

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purchased. paradox are exceptionally good at hoovering up my money

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08-02-2013 , 03:22 AM

#145

fiskebent

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Yeah, I also preordered this. And I never preorder anything.

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08-02-2013 , 09:23 AM

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National ideas:

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I have recorded all the National Ideas presented from Quill18's press preview for examination. There are likely some balancing changes since.

Administration Ideas: (Uses Administrative Points)

Innovative Ideas:
Patron of the Arts: Prestige Decay: -2.0%
Pragmatism: Mercenary Cost: -25.0%
Scientific Revolution: Technology Cost: -5.0%
Knowledge Transfer: Yearly Army Tradition Decay -2.00%, Yearly Navy Tradition Decay -2.00%
Organized Recruitment: Regiment Recruitment Time: -10.0%
Optimism: Monthly War Exhaustion: -0.05
Formalized Officer Corps: Leader(s) Without Upkeep: +1
Capstone: Advisor Costs: -25.0%

Religious Ideas:
Unam Sanctam: Permanent Casus Belli against all other religious groups.
Missionary Schools: Missionaries: +1
Church Attendance Duty: Stability Cost Modifier: -25.0%
Devoutness: Tolerance of the True Faith: +1.00
Religious Tradition: Yearly Prestige: +1.00
Ecumenism: Tolerance of Heretics: +2.00
Capstone: Better Relations Over Time: +50.0%

Espionage Ideas:
Privateers: Embargo Efficiency: +33.0%
Vetting: National Spy Defense: +25.0%
Rumormongering: -May Sabotage Relations
Efficient Spies: Spy Offense: +25.0%
Shady Recruitment: Covert Action Relation Impact: -33.0%
Destabilizing Efforts: -May Sow Discontent
Espionage: -May Infiltrate Administration
Capstone: Rebel Support Efficiency: +50.0%

Economic Ideas:
Bureaucracy: National Tax Modifier: +10.0%
Organized Construction: Build Cost: -20.0%
National Bank: Yearly Inflation Reduction: -0.10
Debt and Loans: Interest per annum: -1.00
Centralization: Possible Advisors: +1
Nationalistic Enthusiasm: Land Maintenance Modifier: +10.0%
Smithian Economics: Production Efficiency +20.0%
Capstone: -May reduce inflation with direct action

Administrative Ideas:
Organized Mercenary Payments: Mercenary Cost: -25.0%
Benefits for Mercenaries: Mercenary Maintenance Cost: -33.0%
Mercenary Recruitment: Additional Mercenaries Available: +50.0%
Bookkeeping: Interest per annum: -1.00
Administrative Efficiency: Possible Advisors: +1
Resilient State: National Spy Defense: +25.0%
War Cabinet: Cost of Reducing War Exhaustion: -33.0%
Capstone: Production Efficiency: +20.0%

Diplomatic Ideas: (Uses Diplomatic Points)

Diplomatic Ideas:
Foreign Embassies: Diplomats: +1
Claim Fabrication: Time to fabricate claims: -50.0%
Cabinet: Diplomatic Relations: +3
Adaptability: Core Creation Cost: +33.0%
Revolution and Counter-Revolution: Permanent Casus Belli versus other government types
Diplomatic Influence: Diplomatic Reputation +3
Flexible Negotiation: Unjustified Demands: -33.0%
Capstone: -Lowered impact on stability from diplomatic actions.

Trade Ideas:
Shrewd Commerce Practice: Global Trade Power: +10.0%
Free Trade: Merchants: +1
Merchant Adventures: Trade Range: +25.0%
National Trade Policy: Trade Efficiency: +10.0%
Overseas Merchants: Merchants: +1
Trade Manipulation: Trade Steering: +25.0%
Fast Negotiations: National Trade Income Modifier: +10.0%
Capstone: +1 Merchant

Exploration Ideas:
Colonial Venture: Colonist: +1
Quest for the New World: -Allows recruitment of explorers and conquistadors.
Overseas Expansion: Colonial Trade Range: +50.0%
Land of Opportunity: Global Settler Increase: +33.0%
Viceroys: Global Tariffs: +33.0%
Free Colonies: Colonists: +1
Global Empire: Overseas Income: +10.0%
Capstone: Permanent Casus Belli against Pagans

Naval Ideas:
Superior Seamanship: Morale of Navies: +1.00
Naval Glory: Prestige from Naval battles: +100.0%
Grand Navy: Naval Forcelimits Modifier: +100.0%
Seahawks: Yearly Naval Tradition: +1.00
Excellent Shipwrights: Naval Leader Maneuver: +2.00
Naval Fighting Instruction: Blockade Efficiency: +50.0%
Press Gangs: Ship Costs: -33.0%
Capstone: Ships can repair when in coastal sea zones

Expansion Ideas:
Additional Colonists: Colonists: +1
Additional Merchants: Merchants: +1
Faster Colonists: Colonist Travel Time: -33.0%
Additional Diplomats: Diplomatic Relations: +2
Improved Shipyards: Ship Construction Time: -10.0%
Experienced Diplomats: Diplomatic Reputation: +3
Competitive Merchants: Global Trade Power: +20.0%
Capstone: Permanent Casus Belli against less advanced nations in Asia

Military Ideas: (Uses Military Points)

Aristocratic Ideas: (Note: Only when not a republic?)
Noble Knights: Calvary Cost: -25.0%
Local Nobility: Hostile Core Creation Cost: +100.0%
Serfdom: National Manpower Modifier: +25.0%
Noble Officers: Leader Shock: +1.00
International Nobility: Diplomats: +1
Noble Resilience: Cost of Reducing War Exhaustion: -20.0%
Military Traditions: Military Technology Cost: -10.0%
Capstone: Calvary Combat Ability: +10.0%

Plutocratic Ideas: (Note: Only when a republic)
Tradition Of Payment: Possible Mercenaries: +50.0%
Abolished Serfdom: Land Morale: + 0.25
Bill Of Rights: Global Revolt Risk: -1.00
Free Merchants: Merchants: +1
Free Subjects: Production Efficiency: +20.0%
Humanist Tolerance: Tolerance of Heathens: +2.00
Emancipation Manpower: Manpower Recovery Speed: +20.0%
Capstone: Technology Cost: -10.0%

Offensive Ideas:
Bayonet Leaders: Leader Shock: +1.00
National Conscripts: National Manpower Modifier: +25.0%
Superior Firepower: Leader Fire: +1.00
Glorious Arms: Prestige from Land battles: +100.0%
Improved Maneuver: Land Leader Maneuver: +1.00
Grand Army: Land Forcelimits Modifier: +25.0%
Espirit de Corps: Discipline: +10.0%
Capstone: Forced March (+150% movement speed to troops)

Defensive Ideas:
Battlefield Commission: Yearly Army Tradition: +1.00
Military Drill: Morale of Armies: +0.50
Engineer Corps: Leader Siege: +1.00
Regimental System: Land Maintenance Modifier: -10.0%
Defensive Mentality: Fort Defense: +33.0%
Supply Trains: Reinforce Speed: +33.0%
Improved Foraging: Land Attrition: -50.0%
Capstone: +1.00 Attrition

Quality Ideas:
Private to Marshal: Infantry Combat Ability: +10.0%
Quality Education: Recover army morale speed: +5.0%
Finest of Horses: Calvary Combat Ability: +10.0%
Oak Forests for Ships: Heavy Ship Combat Ability: +10.0%
Naval Drill: Recover navy morale speed: +5.0%
Merchant Marine: Light Ship Combat Ability: +10.0%
Massed Battery: Artillery Combat Ability: +10.0%
Capstone: Discipline: +15.0%

Quantity Ideas:
Benefits for Horse Owners: Calvary Cost: -10.0%
The Young can serve: Manpower Recovery Speed: +20.0%
Enforced Service: Infantry Cost: -10.0%
The Old and Infirm: Land Maintenance Modifier: -10.0%
Ship’s Penny: Ship Costs: -10.0%
Standardized Artillery: Artillery Cost: -10.0%
Levèe en Masse: National Manpower Modifier: +50.0%
Capstone: Land Forcelimits Modifier: +33.0%

Source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_1F4BesSsE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRU2kTvzlMo

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08-02-2013 , 09:26 AM

#147

Nonfiction

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At first glance Diplomatic seems incredibly strong, espionage, religious, offensive, quality also v strong.

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08-02-2013 , 10:30 AM

#148

Daer

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Looks like they sent out the copy of CK2 you get for preordering, I have a copy sitting in my Steam inventory. If you didn't have CK2 it was added to your game library.

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