Thanks for the links. I've read some of these sites already, but I'll check the other ones out.

At the start of the game Denmark and Sweden are allied. When I dissolve the alliance with Sweden (playing as Denmark) and try to declare a war it says something like "you can not declare a war on a country with which you have a union." Couple of years later Sweden declares a war on Denmark. Is it a bug? Why can't I declare a war but Sweden can. And what union?

It probably means Sweden is under a Personal Union with Denmark - the king of Denmark rules both kingdoms, and on his death his successor has a chance to inherit Sweden (if your relations w/ Sweden are high, >150 I think, or maybe just >100). So, naturally you can't declare war on Sweden. Sweden may want to declare war against Denmark if they wish to break the union, though.

So, I've been wanting to get into another eu3 mp game recently. Anybody here still active?

Also the MP mod drunk linked to is fantastic

someone forgot their account info

I'd play a 2p2 mp game, but i think most people have moved on to ck2.

Need to do ck3-->eu3 obv

it didn't survive the hack, unfortunately.

Also, screw ck imo, eu3 ftw. Particularly if we run with this mod. Tons of sick changes, new units, changes to merchant republics, coverting people is now much harder, you can't go ridiculously over army force limits anymore unless you have ****tons of gain, ditto for naval force limits, lots of changes to tradition, NIs, descisions...

Unless you're really rich this is pretty hard to pull off in vanilla as well without lots of minting. And what mod are we talking about? I glanced through the past 100 posts but didn't find anything.
Also glad this got bumped, love this game.

You can, particularly once you get in 60 or so years and economies start taking off. In the last MP game I think I was 200% my force limit early in the game as Holland when I was preparing to invade france.

Holland is quite a one of a kind economic powerhouse because it's trade income is so unproportional relative to it's size. It shouldn't be too hard to double your forcelimits which is probably pretty small to begin with when you have merchants in every European COT, but in my current game as Scandinavia I wouldn't dare build 200 more regiments even though my income is only topped by a massive colonial France.
But yeah with most countries you should be able to go over your forcelimits for a small time for like you said invasions and stuff, but it's really hard to have a constant army 2x your forcelimits without it hampering your tech and building.

It's Paradox weekend on Steam btw, Crusader Kings 2 is 75% off and the rest is 50% off, now might be the time to buy other Grand Strategy like HOI3/Victoria2/Darkest Hour. Be quick because it ends today.

One of the things you realize in MP is that hampering your development a bit is a price worth paying when you're fighting your life. There have been paradox games that have seen armies of around 800k being fielded by various players.

fml bought darkest hour last week. Totally worth it though, game ****s on hoi3, its like hoi2.5

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/27/ma...ame=0&ns_fee=0

Bummer

I'm getting back into this and wanted to try out some mods, I haven't tried any yet. Which should I try?

Sadly predictable result of trusting a mod team with a full game. imo.

EDIT: Looks like this has been coming for awhile: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...ate-of-affairs

I've actually been playing Eu3 again in the past couple of days. Playing using the MiscMod right now. Not even sure what it does since I installed it months ago but it has the custom scenario Shattered Europe which I have been playing.

Since this seems to be a more catchall paradox game thread than the crusader king 2 thread, posting this here:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...s-of-Iron-Game!

Paradox announces new project, a cold war game based on the hearts of iron 3 clausewitz engine. Its being developed by the guys who made Arsenal of Demcracy, a really awesome standalone game using HOI2/Armageddon that was basically (along with other stand alone game Darkest Hour) HoI2.5 and vastly superior to Paradox's own HOI3 IMO.

Anyways no idea how a cold war game will work since I would assume there wont be a ton of combat, and HOI series is by far the most combat focused series of paradox games, but still, its an area that Paradox havent addressed before, and will now in theory let people play a grand campaign from 1066 to 1991 (or later? idk) across 4 games which is pretty ridic.

me want

also, i'd guess it's a cold war era game, means combat in that era... just a guess...

There was no real direct combat between the warsaw pact and nato though IRL, just indirect fighting in proxy wars. Obv war will be a part of the game but the HOI engine is based on an all out war between allies vs axis vs comintern and doesnt feature the same detailed economical, political, and diplomatic options of the EU and victoria series. So not sure how its going to work, game isn't just going to be endless tank battles in northern Germany between NATO and the warsaw pact. Presumably there will be some sort of mechanic to battle for influence in the 3rd world and unaligned states.

I meant it will be alternate history combat, where a war breaks out. That was my guess, I should have specified that better.

Word. I call china in the inevitable multiplayer game, my yellow hordes gonna raep

If its like a political strategy game then I'm extremely excited. If its more like a counterfactual world war 3, then I'm only kind of interested.

So after playing CK2 and more Eu3 recently I'm looking to start playing another Paradox game. Suggestions?

I tried HoI3 over the weekend, played 2.5 hours and still had no ****ing idea what was going on or what to do. The HoI wiki isn't as good as the Eu3 one and most info I could find was out of date with the latest expansions.

HoI2 any good? What about the Victoria games, which is the best one?

Other options:

Arsensal of Democracy
Birth of America
EU: Rome
Sengoku
Darkest Hour
Rise of Prussia
Supreme Ruler 2020
Supreme Ruler Cold War
Sword of the Stars

HOI3 is p ****ty. They overdid it with complexity in military structure, and under-did it with a lot of ****ty elements (AI can't deal with navy, can make landings anywhere, generally crappy map).

HOI2 is very good, but the engine is old and playability suffers for it. AOD and Darkest Hour are updates for HOI2 with more depth/features/idk, but I haven't played them so can't comment.

Sengoku is basically the trial run for CK2. If you like CK2, it's worth checking out.

Supreme Ruler series is not developed by Paradox, only published by them. I think I have SR2020. It's very confusing and takes a long long long long time to get going. Can't reccomend it.

Victoria with the xpac revolutions is my fav paradox game but def showing its age at this point. The vicky series has the best economic model of any paradox game, with a pretty functional economy based on supply and demand. The pop system is also very cool, as for example your soldiers are based on actual pops, and as they take casualties so will your pops. This means that wars are extremely costly, as they will actually reduce your population and therefore leave you with a weaker economy and less soldiers for future wars. I didn't like victoria 2 as much, as I prefer playing secondary or minor powers and the game is much harder for them compared to Ricky, but I'm not sure how much my opinion is just nostaligia or not. Vicky 2 is still a fun game and has some cool features that make it a good upgrade from Ricky, and with the expansion it is definitely worth a play.

As ranok said, HOI3 ****ty, HOI2 pretty sweet. If you want to try it out I'd def get darkest hour. Arsenal of democracy is supposedly really good too but haven't tried it out so I can't recommend it. They are both the equivalent of HOI2.5. The HOI series has tons of focus on military but the game is much more deterministic compared to vicky/eu/ck and is less sandboxy. The game is set up to model ww2 so theres not quite as much alternate history aspect unless the player interferes. For example, Germany is going to rearm, annex various things, then dec Poland, allies are going to fight it, and then eventually germany will invade SU or vice versa. The player can interfere with this, making say an allied Japan or allied Italy or a Facist USA and such, but you wont be taking over the world as idk Belgium.

Still, its a lot of fun, my favorite campaign is playing Italy, building them up to be a major 3rd power, then either joining the allies or helping germany actually beat the OP soviets. Italy is so lolbad at start but by abandoning Africa and your navy and focusing on the army and grabbing Yugoslavia, Albania, Greece, Bulgaria, and Turkey before 1941 you can actually create another front in the Caucasus/Middle east and help the Axis win the war.

The other cool thing about DH is that there are a TON of AMAZING mods, usually with deep alternate history storylines that give a ton of replayability. Obv it would get very boring playing WW2 over and over, but for example there is the Kaiserreich mod (http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...y-Mod-for-HOI2) which has a world where Germany won ww1. Theres also mods for worlds where Napoleon won but then his empire collapsed, mods where UK joins the axis, etc. Pretty cool. Kaiserreich is awesome and has a ton of backstory and thousands of events (2nd American civil war OP).

EU: rome and sengoku both suck, stay away.

Supreme ruler series is suppoedly mega complicated and not worth it.

Sword of the stars is the most fun 4x game in a while, its similar to games like master of orion. I played it a bunch a few years ago and it still holds up. The sequel is a terrible, unfinished mess which is still basically a beta product an I would suggest staying away. Hopefully it will be really good one day, I know bent has been periodically trying it out and says its coming along.

Cliffs: Darkest Hour/Arsenal of Democracy are both really fun. Victoria 3 with the xpac also really fun. Sword of the stars very fun if you like 4x games but stay away from SOTS2