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09-21-2011 , 12:38 AM
I'm on Divine Wind. Not sure what version, whatever Steam (bought it with the Summer Paradox Pack) is on right now, which I assume should be decently recent.

djstu,

I want to put my penis in your avatar's mouth. That is all.
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09-21-2011 , 12:47 AM
she's practicing for you
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09-21-2011 , 07:52 AM
Crusader Kings is the only paradox game I've played. CK2 is coming out in January and I am the excite
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09-21-2011 , 08:44 AM
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also, following that newbie AAR should help. I played a few games as Holland starting in 1399 and god damn is it hard to start next to burgundy now. They get "Conquer XXX" missions every 5 seconds. I wouldn't play Austria or any other HRE country to start out though, since expanding in the HRE is very hard to do now.

The correct checksum is BJLT by the way.
Austria is pretty easy, just don't expand into the rest of the HRE at the beginning. Go east into Hungary, Transylvania & Bosnia. They are a techgroup behind, plus if you attack Hungary you can usually get Bohemia or Poland to help you. Although on very easy it probably doesn't matter. Playing on very easy as Austria I went after northern Italy first, then Baden & Bavaria, then Bohemia (who was the emperor).
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09-21-2011 , 09:34 AM
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Crusader Kings is the only paradox game I've played. CK2 is coming out in January and I am the excite
Crusader kings was awesome too except for the huge amount of bugs and terrible UI. I believe it was made by some random company that went bankrupt after the alpha or beta was release and then it was bought by paradox and released as is. CK2 should be ridic though.

Also, coolest AAR I ever read was a multiplayer game that lasted 3 years where a group of people started in Crusader Kings, played that whole game, transfered the save to EU2, played that whole game, transferred the game to Victoria 1, played that whole game, then transferred it to HOI2. I think maybe only 1-2 people were the original players since thing took 3 ****ing years. I believe the end game was a massive war between MegaNorway and China
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09-21-2011 , 10:59 AM
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Crusader kings was awesome too except for the huge amount of bugs and terrible UI. I believe it was made by some random company that went bankrupt after the alpha or beta was release and then it was bought by paradox and released as is. CK2 should be ridic though.

Also, coolest AAR I ever read was a multiplayer game that lasted 3 years where a group of people started in Crusader Kings, played that whole game, transfered the save to EU2, played that whole game, transferred the game to Victoria 1, played that whole game, then transferred it to HOI2. I think maybe only 1-2 people were the original players since thing took 3 ****ing years. I believe the end game was a massive war between MegaNorway and China
link imo. CK2 does look pretty amazing. Am I right in thinking that it's going to be like Sengoku, except better?
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09-21-2011 , 11:26 AM
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link imo. CK2 does look pretty amazing. Am I right in thinking that it's going to be like Sengoku, except better?
It was called the great game, guess it was only like 2 years. The one dude running the game writes all his AARs RPing his country (Norway) which I think is p gay and skip over but you might be into that **** so idk.

Crusader kings thread, started in May '05

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...at-Game-MP-AAR

EU2, April '06

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...rope-s-Revenge

Vicky, September '06

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...33#post5920433

HOI2, Jan 07
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...Final-Struggle


Looks like they actually did another one too called "There will be war," ima start reading that one
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09-22-2011 , 06:15 PM
I'll buy Divine Wind off steam to get the latest version if a multiplayer game gets around to being organised. I'd be fine with non-2+2 people joining as well just to make up the numbers.
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09-22-2011 , 08:00 PM
Honestly with 8 people we could get a decent game going. 8 people gives us France/Burgundy, England, Spain, Austria, Russia, Ottomans, Italy, and Holland/Netherlands.

Obviously more would be awesome though so we could add in a Denmark and a Northern germany power like poland/TO.
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09-22-2011 , 08:51 PM
I'm thinking about letting my ottoman game (normal difficulty ) die....

I'm absolutely ahead in military tech ( 11 vs 7; + I'm in the Latin group now ), and I have annexed ( mostly diplo-annexed ) pretty much every tiny nation in my way, and have even taken Greece from Venice, taken half of Hungary and even some pieces of Austria ( have lost some later without defending them because I was just over extended ). I tried to take a stab at Timur and his happy gang, I was so strong I could destroy a 40 regiment army with a 20 one, but the crusades are getting annoying and I just can't leave regiments in his land.

It's around 1480 ( started 1399 ) and I get a crusade every time a truce ends. This time I got attacked by Venice, Hungary, Poland and Lithuania at the same time ( with their allies obv ). That's around 60 regiments marching into me, but I know I'll be able to fend them off.

The problem is that it's not fun anymore. I'm in constant war because of the crusades, which means terrible war exhaustion, always low on troops and always with my reputation around 15. I also have pretty much always half my territory cut off because there is a sea crossing right in the middle, and I can't fend off the English navy etc. Gimme a few years break ffs, or at least give me some time to conquer something I like

I might try again, only this time I let my greek claims go and invade the Timurrids and the other dudes to the south. Let's see how that goes.
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09-23-2011 , 10:11 AM
Best move for Ottomans is to ignore Europe imo. I usually get some vassals as buffer states while converting all my starting territory to Sunni, then I go for Georgia (dem golds), Mamluks and the rest of the mid east. Also build a CoT in Constantinople. The goal is to push through Persia and reach India which is super rich. Let Europe fight amongst themselves, it sucks expanding into the Balkans because its all useless, poor, wrong religion provinces that you are better off not having.
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09-23-2011 , 01:26 PM
So, apparently when you use the 'Imperial Ban' causus belli as the Holy Roman Emperor (which I believe you get when non-HRE states conquer HRE states) you get instant core provinces if you're able to defeat the non-HRE country and take the territory in a peace deal.

I mean, holy ****. How the hell is anybody supposed to expand into the HRE in a multiplayer game. HRE members get slapped with "unlawful territory" penalties if the conquered province(s) are non-core, in addition to giving the HRE a CB on them. Non-HRE members conquering HRE territory give the Emperor almost the best possible reason to spank their ass and retake the territory. Germany is just going to be a massive cluster**** in any mp game
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09-23-2011 , 01:46 PM
Yeah if you are a HRE member you pretty much have to expand outside the HRE or be able to take on the Emperor.
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09-23-2011 , 04:10 PM
This is my first attempt at writing a report based on my EU3 gameplay. I figured I'd write one because 1.) EU3 is an aweomse game and 2). To show people viewing this thread a bit of what EU3 is like. I still consider myself fairly new to EU3 so looking through the reports I'm sure veterans can find places were I could have made more optimal decisions but trial and error is half the fun.

This is only my 4th game of EU3. My first I played on Very Easy and used liberal cheats. My second was on Very Easy and I used the money cheat once at the beginning. My 3rd game was on Very Easy using no cheats. This game I am moving on to Easy.

Game settings: All default except: Difficulty is Easy and Lucky Nations is off.

Let us EU3:

Part 1:



The State of the Teutonic Order was formed in 1224 during the Northern Crusades. In 1410 it lost the Battle of Grunwald against Poland & Lithuania, triggering it's decline. It finally ceased to be a state in 1525 and was succeeded by Ducal Prussia.

First the state of the world at the beginning of my game, October 14th 1399:

For people who have never played EU3 here is what the map of Europe looks like at the beginning of the game, the Teutonic Order is the gray country above Poland & Lithuania:



Here is a better look at the immediate area around the Teutonic Order:



Castille is the current Papal Controller and Bohemia is the Holy Roman Emperor:




Since the Holy Roman Empire (HRE) will probably be mentioned quite a bit in this report and any following here is a picture of the Holy Roman Empire at the beginning of the game. Bohemia in light green is the current Emperor. Medium green the HRE Electors and dark green is the rest of the Empire:



To my south are my biggest rivals, Poland & Lithuania. Better yet they are allied and in a Personal Union. Poland is the top in the relationship.

The game starts off paused to enable you to familiarize yourself with your country and also to make you opening moves.

The Teutonic Order starts as a member of the Hanseatic Trade league. I notice have no Casus Belli (CB) against any other nations. That will not do. The Teutonic Order is a theocracy and its leader is Hochmeister Konrad von Jungingen. I've only played monarchies up to this point and Hochmeister is definately more awesome than King.

I check to see what advisors are available and the only one of note is a 4-star Army Organizer (+24% Land Forcelimits) so I hire him. A note on advisors. You start only being able to hire those who were born in your country. Sometimes you will start with a dozen options and sometimes you start with zero. After 1 year any advisor not hired by their own nation will go into the general advisors pool. So be sure to pause the game at October 15th, 1400 and check to see what advisors just became available.

The Teutonic Order starts with an army of 4000 men and a fleet of 17 ships. Checking my support limit I see my Land limit is 16 and my Naval limit is 18. 4k just isn't enough men for the warmongering I have in mind so I immediately start raising another 5000. Seeing a 20,000 strong Lithuanian army right across the border certainly motivates me as well.



Now it is time to make my opening moves.

The first mission I am given is too make Mazovia my bitch vassal. Yay a CB against someone! Mazovia is a one province minor (OPM) located directly to my south. And since in every game I have ever played the AI Teutonic Order always declares war on Pzkov (another OPM) I say what the hell and declare war on it as well. Since I don't have a CB against Pzkov I have to take a -2 stability hit.



I notice I have a General available right from the start so I put General Ulrich von Jungingen in charge of my 4k strong army and begin to march it south towards Mazovia.

That's it for my opening moves and it's finally time to unpause the game.

This is usually the point in the game where if you were a monarchy you would be fielding Royal Marriage offers and spending your extra diplomats trying to marry off your (most likely) fat, (most likely) ugly, (most likely) inbred daughters into other royal families.

As usual the insults start flying as countries try to lower their standing with their future victims. Sweden seems to particularly hate Denmark. Also as usual the opening round of wars flare up as all the bullies try to make some OPM their bitch before anyone has any alliances:

Burgundy vs. Brabant
Tver vs. Yaroslavl
Novgorod vs. Yaroslavl (lol Yaroslavl)
Papal State vs. Urbino
Naples vs. Epirus
Aragon vs. Navarra
Castille vs. Granada (seriously Granada must be a mortal lock to get annexed in every single game)

The only wars even vaguely interesting are:

Austria vs. Milan
France vs. England (France taking a break from curbstomping OPMs at game start)

The Pope (controlled by Castille) is feeling frisky and immediately calls a Crusade against Morocco.

Savoy sends me an Alliance Offer but I tell them to **** off since I have no desire to get involved with France anytime soon.

Pskov says hello by marching their 1000 man army into one of my provinces and sieging it. Hochmeister Konrad just waves merrily at them while my other 5k army continues recruiting.

Sweden continues to insult Denmark. Then my other 5k troops are ready and I send them off to greet Pskov.

Now since my province of Gotland (the island in the middle of the Baltic sea) has both Sweden & Denmark cores on it (giving them both a Reconquest CB against me) I decide to offer Sweden Military Access to my country (You get a -5 stability hit for declaring war against a country you have Military Access to). They accept.



I offer the same to Denmark but they don't accept. Whatever Denmark, I hope Sweden skull****s you.

My 5k army somehow defeats Pzkov's 1000 men and continues on to siege Pzkov itself. At the same time my siege of Mazovia is complete and they graciously accept vassalage in return for not raping them further.

My mission complete, the angels sing and pass on another message from God. God must love the smell of napalm in the morning.



Or maybe God has it in for me since Pommerania is part of the Holy Roman Empire.

My army has just got back from Mazovia when General Ulrich promptly decides to die. Well done sir.

At about this time I notice my province of Samogita is a comprised of heathen Animists. Since my nation is a loving Catholic nation this just won't do, so I send a missionary to convert the dirt worshippers. /swidgen

I check in with Europe and see how the Austria-Milan war is going. Apparently the Austrians didn't think through the consequences of going to war with a fellow HRE member. The Emperor (Bohemia) decided to get involved and in the east Hungary decided Austria had a pretty mouth and wanted in on the action.



My conversion of Samogita is successful! 2000 rebels decide to throw me a thank you party.

Hungary offers me an alliance. Since I'll need an ally to help me with Poland and Lithuania I accept. No sooner is that alliance sealed when Naples sends me an Alliance Offer as well. My conquest of Mazovia must have impressed them. I notice that Hungary & Naples are also allied to each other. The powerful Teutonic-Hungarian-Neopolitan Ice Cream Alliance is formed.

Allies in teal, Vassal in light green, Pskov still won't recognize my supremacy.



Austria loses it's war and is forced to release Tirol as an independent nation.

Pzkov comes to it's senses and since I don't want to take 8 Infamy to annex it I make it a vassal as well.

A power play in the Curia makes Poland the new Papal Controller. Great.

Some of the other wars are beginning to come to an end. Castille annexes Granada. Burgundy vassalizes Holland.

Power play in the Curia. Bohemia is now Papal Controller. Yeah as Emperor they weren't powerful enough. A black day for the Church indeed.

After already losing to Milan, Bohemia, and Hungary, Austria tries to go for a record of some kind and also loses a war against Aquileia.

Lithuania's eastern border is getting engulfed by the Golden Horde.



Muscowy offers an alliance, which I accept. Lithuania is now surrounded by myself, Hungary & Muscowy.

It is time to strike!

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09-23-2011 , 05:53 PM
I enjoyed reading that. please continue.
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09-23-2011 , 06:22 PM
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I enjoyed reading that. please continue.
agree.
I don't own this game buy I'm stalking this thread.
keep going
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09-23-2011 , 07:44 PM
TO's start should be easier than before I think. Before the opening moves were all about ramping up to defeat the Polish/Lithuanian armies. Now that they've fiddled with Horde countries the Golden Horde will pretty much automatically curbstomp AI lithuania for you.

Also, burgundy insta-deccing brabant and vassalizing holland is unfortunately what happens in 90% of dutch starts now . The fact that burgundy gets instant core provinces on all of brabant after they annex them does not help things.
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09-23-2011 , 07:57 PM
may I suggest the MIEOU mod ?

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/....php?416-MEIOU
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09-23-2011 , 09:28 PM
Part 2:

When we last left off my allies and I had Lithuania surrounded and I was ready to declare war. So unsurprisingly my first act to to declare war. On Pommerania. Wait, you thought I was going to declare war on Lithunania?

A couple reasons why I chose Pommerania, which is in the HRE over Lithuania:

1. I have a Subjugation CB against Pommerania. I have no CB against Lithuania so I would have to take another -2 hit to stability. I am already at -1 stability.
2. In the future I want to take big bites of territory out of Lithuania & Poland but right now I would get 8 points of Infamy per province I captured. Sure a war with them right now would weaken them so I could capture territory more easily in a second war but why have 2 wars when 1 will do.
3. I have already decided in this game to dismantle the HRE. I'm going to try to take Pommerania now while the Emperor is still relatively weak, before he starts taking chucks out of Austria, Hungary, and Poland.

For those wondering where Pommerania is, it is to the west of my southern-most provinces, along the southern shore of the Baltic Sea.

So I declare war against Pommerania and call my allies to battle. I am immediately told to **** myself from Naples & Muscowy. Luckily my buddy Hungary is mentally handicapped and he joins me in my war.

Riga (lol), Bohemia (Emperor), & Wurzsburg join in on the Pommeranian side. We are outnumbered 26,000 vs. 43,000. Luckily for me I have Poland between me and the HRE. Also Hungary is closer to everyone else.



I start building another 5k troops.

Since it looks like Hungary and I are about to be proper ****ed a few more jackals decide to join in. Silesia, Tirol, and Trier declare war on us as well.

Transylvania is a vassal of Hungary and joins our side of the war.

I march my 4k army into Pommerania and my 5k army into Riga. Riga is a one province minor (OPM) located smack dab in the middle of the Teutonic Order. Apparently they joined the war as an elaborate attempt at suicide.

The final list of Belligerents:



A map of the warzone:



Hungary is immediately invaded by 34,000 Bohemians. Thanks bro.



Left alone I begin sieging Riga and all 3 of Pommerania's provinces. As you can see in the upper right corner of the screen all 4 are ready to fall.



Hungary, with its armies destroyed, is forced to release Croatia as a nation and proceeds to peace out of the war. Croatia declares war on me.



I start telling the 4 provinces I'm sieging to hurry the **** up and surrender.

What's this? A wild Bohemian has appeared.



Then a miracle. All 4 provinces fall 1 week before the Bohemian army arrives. I vassalize both Pommerania and Riga. I then consolidate my armies and await the arrival of Bohemia.



I win the battle and the Bohemian survivors flee to Danzig where I pursue and destroy them.

There is an election for Holy Roman Emperor but unfortunately Bohemia retains. They immediately enact the first Imperial Reform.

Apparently the Emperor was so pleased with himself he dropped dead.



At this point I get cocky and Hochmeister Konrad himself takes command and leads an 18,000 man army to Bohemia. Then some stuff happens. Then Hochmeister Konrad leads an army of 7,000 men home. That's what happens when you don't pay attention to your manpower.

I sue for peace and am able to secure a peace deal in exchange of a simple Concession of Defeat.

So I probably have a couple quiet years in front of me while my manpower replenishes and my army gets back up to full strength.

Meanwhile Lithuania appears to be collapsing in rebellion and while it is still allied with Poland they no longer have a Personal Union.



Since Pommerania is my strongest vassal I make them an alliance offer in the hope they will help out in future wars and maybe pull me into wars in the HRE as a bonus.

Scotland sends me an alliance offer out of the middle of nowhere and I accept. Here is the state of the Teutonic Order on September 25th, 1406:



I have my first National Idea slot available but since I have a year or two of quiet I haven't selected anything yet. I am thinking of either Military Drill (+1 Morale for my armies) or Unam Sanctam which will give me some Casus Belli (CB) against all the russian nations, which are Orthodox.

Thus ends part 2. This was originally going to be the end of my first report but when I started writing it seemed to be getting long so I broke it up into 2 parts. I hope to have 1 more part up sometime this weekend. This is as far as I've played in this game so hopefully Part 3 isn't me getting wtfpwned.

Last edited by Daer; 09-23-2011 at 09:41 PM.
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09-23-2011 , 10:08 PM
military drill ldo, it's essential early on.
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09-24-2011 , 12:03 AM
Yeah Military Drill has been my first National Idea in every game i've played.
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09-24-2011 , 01:19 AM
Besides, what you should do is attempt to convert to orthodox, and then take Unam Sanctam, then conquer ALL OF EUROPE
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09-24-2011 , 01:58 AM
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Besides, what you should do is attempt to convert to orthodox, and then take Unam Sanctam, then conquer ALL OF EUROPE
That is the plan when the Reformation hits, assuming the whole of Europe doesn't convert.
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09-24-2011 , 02:44 AM
FWIW if you play EU3 in single player, you don't have to go for massive invasion campaigns like in other games namely Total War series since there the goal is to conquer certain land area before time limit whereas EU3 has more subtle missions for nations. It might also get really annoying if you keep conquering constantly. Also the game isn't that hard, no need to cheat.
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09-24-2011 , 07:49 AM
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That is the plan when the Reformation hits, assuming the whole of Europe doesn't convert.
Hardly any provinces convert to orthodox in Western Europe, its all about catholics, protestants and reformed.
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