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just fyi for anyone in lp, you can get really quickly by playing coop bot games on normal easy difficulty. Just make sure you add south american and russian servers to your queue options.

If I join the guild would anyone be willing to party with me in unranked just to show me how to play this ****ing game? I am honestly ******ed.

I'll answer for the other players here and say yes, I'm sure there'd be at least a few of us willing to help, at least at first until we hate you for feeding.

there is a lot to process though and I personally can't help teach anything truly fundamental, like how to control your hero or the basics of laning.

If you're past that stage and need advice on how to build specific heroes or game strategy then I can help.

I don't know if I am past that stage. I know the basics, but I am in a situation like a fish in poker where I don't know what I don't know, other than I suck at most aspects of the game. When I play the last hitting practice game (the 10 minute one) my record is 60/78, so I am not completely useless. But I am in utter trench tier (My rating is around 2100 or something MMR, yeah bet you didn't know it went that low) and can't seem to move up. Although in fairness I have only recently unlocked ranked mode lol.

I have been using some workshop guides for builds, I follow them basically exactly unless there is something obvious like I NEED a BKB vs their line up and it isn't listed as core on that specific hero. Not confident enough in my knowledge yet to stray too far unless something is quite obvious that I need.

TBH I am not sure I would even be comfortable in a party with a lot of you since I would be so worried about feeding. Anyone else on here in the trench? I am probably equivalent of silver league in SC2 or something.

daaamn 2100 is really low. I've always wondered what the mmr floor is like. I can't do anything about raising your solo rating. I could party with you and maintain like 95% win rate until you get near 4k, but that'd only be for party mmr.

Honestly, I have a hard time imagining any player could improve themselves playing games at 2100.

If you can last hit >50% you should be able to get to 3k+ pretty easily. The hardest part about Dota is knowing what to do and when to do it, and learning that mostly just comes from playing a lot of games so you recognize certain situations. In the wood trench there is usually a huge lack of initiators so try to play heroes with stuns. Something like beastmaster would be very good because he has his ult which is a very solid stun, a free ward which at your level nobody probably buys, a good nuke and an aura for the remaining four carries on your team.

It's what it started at when I first got an MMR and I was hoping it would go up since then but I have only won slightly over 50% of my 20 or so games since. I have only slightly over 200 games total played.

There are people with 1500 MMR.

What do you recommend I should do to improve? It's not about inflating my rating somewhere carried on someones back but really just to improve myself which playing with someone like you obviously would naturally but it wouldn't even be fun for you.

One issue I have is unlike starcraft 2, where when placed in gold or silver I can play 50 ladder games and be back in diamond, just because if a player is worse than me I will beat them 90% or even 99% of the time depending on their level. Until my MMR is back around diamond level I will win 90% of games. In Dota it seems like the equivalent would be like 55% or 60% WR maybe? One player can only make so much difference unless they are like absurdly better than the opposition in which case they can win by themselves. So lets say I was actually a 3k MMR player (I don't have any reason to actually believe this just an example), then doing a rough calculation I would need to play nearly two hundred games to get there at 60% win rate. Thats as many games as I have played total!

In my games I am very often my teams best player in a win or a loss, but I am not a good leader because I lack game knowledge.

Perhaps posting replays would be more useful. Give you guys a real look at the trench like a nature documentary?

People do buy wards if you pester them enough, although sometimes you only get one support and he is rushing aghs or something. If I am support I try to buy them everytime they are off cooldown and ward the runes at least, or jungle gank paths. I can also last hit > 50%, as in I am capable of doing so if left alone or protected. With melee heroes quite a bit more if not completely harassed. In reality I am not sure how often that happens but I do know I have the most last hits on my team if not playing support a very large % of the time.

Yeah I was thinking about that recently, what heroes I should play, what I do is wait until late in the day and see what my team needs. I go whatever we don't have. Support, mid, carry etc. But I don't put too much thought into initiation I guess or the other teams line up (since I don't know what counters their line up unless its obvious). Perhaps learning to play gankers/good initiators would be the best way to move up quickly?

a nice 8-1 sunday to get some boost back on both the solo and group mmr. I've been tending to stick to harder carries/split pushers in solo Q as I want to make sure I can affect the game.

As for getting better - bot games help for last hitting, practicing jungling routes, etc. I also spent a few min looking at some of the ward maps that are out there to learn where you should most commonly be de/warding. I'd say pick a couple different heroes and play them 5-10 games in a row just to get comfortable with basic mechanics. It's hard to be learning the game AND the ~100ish diff characters at the same time.

Raz a constant thing that I think SC2 taught me was to be consistently peeking at my minimap during the game. Not having to rely on other players to see who is/isn't visible on the map and what lanes are pushed in or against you is so important to understand when you're at risk of being ganked.

Thanks, some good points. I should stick with a hero a bit longer like I stick with a race in SC. I have some favourites but never play a hero more than 2 games in a row really and my most played hero has like 20 games total.

Also will commit to playing more to learn with bot games, ward spots etc rather than grinding solo queue, I suppose I am guilty of just playing without analysing too. Should help a lot.

I think the one thing I can guarantee I do far better than basically anyone with my MMR is look at the minimap, yeah thanks to starcraft and other games. I am pinging constantly, the amount of times I saw all 5 enemy heroes heading bot with our one guy there hitting creeps, I ping it 5 times, he dies there having not backed. "I didn't see them". Just happens so often on my team but almost never to me. Like junglers at potato MMR literally never look at the map, WHY? what are they looking at. So we have a free kill if they move 5 metres away and stun, nah....gotta keep autoing neutrals.

I also hit the magic 90% last hit on a 10 minute last hitting practice game, quelling blade treant protector, feels a bit like a cheat but whatever. Next stop 100%, but its hard because of towers.

What's your name or steam profile? And are you in the guild yet? I don't think I've noticed you in guild channel.

By far my best attribute in DOTA is my ability to look at my mini-map. It's something I feel like I am terrible at in SC2 but in DOTA being SC2 terrible probably means very good in DOTA.

yeah, mediocre sc micro = top tier dota micro.

How do I get added to the 2+2 guild?

At my peak was a high diamond/low masters zerg player. Funny enough I feel like I have trouble when I have multiple activated items on most heroes.

I just want to build my armies than A-move bro!

Wow, i never thought id be excited for cosmetic items in dota. I hope it wont be too expensive.

you need to get an invite.

The people who always want to back are almost as annoying as the people who don't know when to back. It's like 3 of them are dead, 2 almost died and are running back to heal, and auto back after one tower. Get the next tower dammnit.

you need to take a leadership role and keep making the calls live, some people just won't listen of course.

I was mid masters terran in sc2 but my micro is still just average in dota2. Speed is the limiting factor in sc2 but here its about knowing what to do at the right moment so I don't think the two are really interchangeable.

Closest things would be jungling heroes and visage, but I don't like those heroes anyway .

I think reading minimap here is pretty hard too cause you have to keep track of where certain heroes are a lot to make the correct choice of backing or not.

Like if two heroes are missing and your sniper is out of position a lot, they're prob ganking him and not you so you should play more agg and take farm or push a bit farther. Feel like a lot of farm and xp is missed at my level (4kish) cause people back too much.

A lot of times people spam b and are wrong about it like 10 times but if they're right once they say its so obvious. Long run, its better off to have farmed most of the time and die once or twice aggressively. So yeah I think reading map is kibdda hard.

Ill buy a ticket and join if anyone is going to create a fantasy league.

I'm in for a fantasy league. Given we're in a gambling forum perhaps we could put a few $(or rares if we really want to degen it up) on the line.

How can I get an invite to the guild? I hover between 3600 and 3800 MMR solo and I'm not rated for party.

anyone who is in the guild should be able to invite anyone, i just make every single person i invite an officer.

that being said if you send me a friend req on steam i can ad you when i get off work

http://steamcommunity.com/id/imjoesh/

It's really disappointing to play this game and just continually be berated by people. I get it, I'm not bad at this game, I'm awful. But when the entire game is abusive chat its brutal.

Tough love.