I would probably commit suicide if I typed /played on all 4 of those at once.

TBH, I spent a lot less time than other people take to get even one character geared. It's SO easy to grind honor with afk bots. For anyone curious, google Pirox bot. Auto queues BGs, and even plays loud warning noises when a GM whispers you or if a player whispers you. WoW is so easy for casuals.

Also, it helped that this account was my cousin's and I had 5 60's on it to start.

can't buy T6/glad with honor iirc. sick account tho dude.

Meh, full pvp epics sure won't hurt in the quasi-grind to get arena epics.

so your one of THEM? F'ing AFKers

You know you are on the same level as poker bots now, right?

T6 is super easy to get. I geared my Druid raiding 2-3 hours a day, 2 days/week. It's just that most people are super bad at the game and have difficulty with PvE for some reason. Arena is also pretty joke if you have proper class comps and competent teammates.

lol at the comparison to poker bots. Poker bots take money from the poker economy by taking from fish. How does what I do affect the honor 'economy?' It doesn't! The honor grind is a personal grind. It's not like there are no risks involved (suspension of your account). Blizzard's honor system requires ridiculous amounts of time and personally, I'd rather go out and have a social life instead of grinding battlegrounds to attain gear.

You aren't contributing to your team, which lowers everyone else rate of honor return, and resulting in more losses for your side. You are also doing nothing to earn the gear. I agree it is a huge time sink, but when I play in the BG's i want to compete and try to win, and it's hard to do if half the team doesn't leave the cave.

It pretty much comes down to the fact that I've done the honor grind on many many characters. I did the Grand Marshall grind pre-BC as well. Saying AFKing affects AV honor grinding is pretty laughable. Everyone spends the same amount of time in AV to get free epics.

Except you and players like you; you have a program spend the time for you to get the epics. It's funny to me that you say you'd rather spend time socializing than doing the honor grind, yet you have a program that allows you to get the gear. If you're gonna be going out all the time and having all this rl fun, why the hell are you even using a bot to honor grind? So you can tell all your friends about your purple armor? And btw, the worst part about afking is that you're going completely against the spirit and fun of the game.

I must side with stup: If blizz didn't want people figuring out ways to do the insane grinds they put into the game, they shouldn't have made it so grind-tastic.

Personally, I think they should make a few changes. (Or should have a long time ago, since the first idea I have is being implemented, sort of, in WotLK)

Once you have a 70, you should be able to start a new toon on any server at level 50, bare minimum.

If you've already grinded a prof to max, and you drop it, you should be able to pick it back up at the same level.

You should be able to trade in gear, like pvp gear or token gear, at vendors for a different style. Of course, requiring some honor or money to make the change would be a good idea.

These minor changes could make the game so much easier to stomach, as someone who's had multiple level 70s.

If you're a dps toon, I see no reason NOT to use a bot to honor grind. As long as you have some idea of how to play your class, getting really good gear quickly and easily seems like a grand plan to me.

Just remember, the 'spirit' of the game, at one point, was to ban anyone using any third party programs or mods. They've changed the spirit over time, and while they'll never change it to allow botting, they sure are being completely ****ing disgusting with some of their invasive tactics used to try to catch botters. **** Warden.

FWIW, I'm fairly certain I've spent at least twice as much time as anyone here has in game, NOT INCLUDING AFK botting, so it's pretty laughable that you are criticizing me for not spending enough time in BGs. Also, it's pretty straightfroward why I would be afk botting when I am going out. I did enjoy playing this game obviously. However, I'm not going to sacrifice everything to achieve things in game that are simply time based. And please explain to me how afking to get items is any less nerdy than actually grinding out the honor. lmao.

It's just funny to me that when I have quite clearly spent multiples of the time you have in game and eliminated a small portion of it with something that I am taking a high risk for, that I get crucified as if I'm hacking accounts. FWIW, if you've ever done the Grand Marshal grind, you would understand where I'm coming from. But you haven't, and really have no idea.

I'm bored. If anyone has a ~lv 40 toon and wants to do an instance or something hit me up.

You poor, poor bastard.

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Wait..

Corinthian?

Just because you have spent a lot of time in the game doesn't make it ok to cheat.

I agree, blizzard should take some steps to reduce the parts of the game that are considered a big "grind", especially once you have already done it once and are working on a new character, but that still doesn't make you superior in way, shape, or form. That's like saying for raiding, all my other toons should just be given T6 for free because I already did it once. If you like to PVP, and what to start a new character, you should either be willing to put in the time, or just not play that character as much.

Also, making Grand Marshal just meant you were able to play an insane amount of hours, it had nothing to do with your actual skill.

I've spent a lot of time playing poker, so I suppose it is ok to just use a bot from now on because I already proved I know how to play, right?

EDIT: I understand exactly why would want to get free gear without putting in any work for it. I just disagree with your sense of entitlement.

nah.

It's not necessarily a sense of entitlement, as a sense of not being able to play at the level I want to without sacrificing everything. I PvP'd competitively on 3 different toons (Arena ratings 2100+). There is actually no way to regrind all of the honor gear every season without sacrificing sleep.

Again, the poker bot analogy is pretty weak as I am not taking anything from the economy.

While you can try to argue that it hinders other players honor gain, the fact is everyone's honor grind takes about the same amount of time.

I'm not criticizing you for not spending enough time in BG's. I'm criticizing you for feeling like you're allowed to take unfair, lame shortcuts to get the gear just because you've done it before. My point is that if you actually care enough that you character has decent gear, you should be willing to put in the time like everybody else to get your gear. If you don't want to put in the time, fine, but using a way to get around having to put in effort to get something for nothing is pretty lame. Your argument sounds like you feel like you're entitled to it, so if we use Occam's razor...

I understand your points and the reason I don't have several level 70's is because i'm not willing to do the grind on each of them.

I would not have a problem with the using a bot/afk program if they were smart enough to allow you to actually contribute to the BG, for example, helping with towers, etc...

My biggest problem with it is that afk'ers are just getting free honor/epics without putting any effort in what so ever. Yes, if only a couple people afk you won't notice much of a slowdown in honor gain, but if lots of people did, honor would literally cease to be gained. Every honor point you gained was earned by someone else for you.

We all want to save time and get as much reward for as little effort as possible, i understand that, i just don't like this method.

One person can make a big difference even in AV. I am constantly capturing/defending towers that if i was just sitting in the cave, would have been lost, resulting in more free honor for you who did nothing to contribute.

I guess my advice to you is, if you feel the need to have 4 2100+ arena character, you either need to dedicate your life to wow or reduce the number of toons you have, or just play some of them more casually.

You could also put them on 4 different accounts and multi-box, then you only need to grind the honor once and all 4 of them will have it. There are a lot of scripts out there that will automate a lot of your actions as a group, they aren't perfect but would allow you to control all 4 of your characters at once with reasonable effectiveness.

My point really is that grinding out 80 or 90k honor (I have extra gems ready at the start of each season, etc.) on multiple characters is simply not feasible without sacrificing far too much time.

The thing is, AFKing has become less and less frequent in battlegrounds. Everyone assumes that it's going to get to the point where half the team is afk. While there was a point where on some battlegroups half of a horde AV would be afk, this is certainly not the case now. There have been AFKers forever, and there probably always will be. It is not the case that the situation is becoming worse and worse though.

I am obviously a hardcore player, and having multiple characters geared out at the same time has been something I've done regularly. The thing is, after BC came out, Blizzard really really catered to casuals in terms of honor epics. Pre-BC, the only way to gear out other 60's was to do ZG/MC/BWL/AQ40/Naxx runs after your guild was comfortable clearing them with mains and could take alts for gear, and gearing out multiple characters through the honor system was next to impossible. Pre-BC, you could be competitive in PvP because the different in itemization was not as great. Further, the honor system really wasn't competitive as arena is now.

The gear gap increased in BC when they began using the tiered system of honor/arena gear tied with PvE gear, to obviously lessen the gap between hardcore and casual players. Additionally, the arena system requires you to attain the new season's gear in order to be successful at arenas. Effectively, if I want to limit myself to 1 character in arenas, then that would be that. For anyone who is actually high rated in arenas, you can easily understand why arenaing just one character becomes extremely tedious. When you are over 2100 rating wins are generally 0-3 points, and losses are upwards of 20. Most top teams do not play many games a week because the risk is not worth the few extra points that they might squeak out. Thus, after 10 games, most hardcore players resort to playing alts. And obviously, being hardcore entails that we do not accept being low rated because our gear is subpar.

Also for the record, I have never AFK botted on my main. Only when I began playing my alts actively in arenas, did I require an AFK bot to keep up with the gear level necessary to succeed in arenas.

the honor grind is ridic, and while i dont bot in fear of getting banned, i can understand why people bot and i really dont care.

Don't you get honor by playing the BG? That's like the most fun part of the game. I started a new guy last night and I plan on just keeping him at 19 and using him to play BG when I get bored of the tedious regular game.

I must say, I actually like the poker analogy. Not how it was used, though. Think of it like this:

There is something to be gained, possibly easily. But to do that, one must be willing to risk a lot (of playtime put into a toon). The risk is getting caught botting and having your account banned. (Yes, whole account, I know someone said character earlier, but that ain't accurate)

If someone's willing to take that risk, more power to them, imo. Yes, they might get caught, but only if people in BGs report them, as they should.

Fwiw, I don't bot arenas/bgs, but I have botted many toons for levels. I prefer PvE, and the only time I really do pvp is when I'm having trouble replacing a piece of gear and just want something quick-ish. I'll grind AV for a night or two when it's double honor and I really need a new belt, or do a few arenas if it means I get easy S4 gloves.

I don't see what the big problem is though, in terms of botting for honor. It's a welfare system anyhow, what's wrong with someone who knows how to play their toon getting the same epics as someone who doesn't know how to play their toon, yet put in the time to get it?

Imo, nothing. Personally, I laugh everytime I join a Kara raid and see a lock in pure PvP epics, with tons of spell damage, but no +spell hit rating. I know their curse of doom is going to fail when we get to Curator, and sure enough, you hear them in vent 30 seconds before every evoke, "Damn, my CoD resisted.." Thank god you really understand your class and how the game works. GG on the honor grind..

You basically have no idea what this discussion is about if you haven't played at level 70. Also FWIW, being at the level cap is the most fun part of the game by far.

THIS! GambleAB, you should look around on the interwebs for a leveling guide. Just get to 70 then start worrying about running 5 mans/PvP. I understand it is probably tough to get to 70 w/o playing a decent amount, once you get to 70 there are thousands of 70's on your server that will increase your chances to find 5 man groups. I personally think that running lowbie dungeons is a waste of time while leveling. No matter how good your gear is while leveling, it is easily replaced as soon as you hit Outlands.

Who is not excited to clear BT tonight?

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...nd&n=Killerkev

I dunno, I've done pretty much everything in the game that doesn't require full t4 at this point.

I'm finding it less fun every day.

I've grinded dailies so much that I'm considering spending 1000g just to get the Shattered Sun title, since I have the gold to waste.

I've gathered so many mats, the idea of selling them / having the ore prospected just doesn't excite me. Woo.. more gold that I won't use, more gems that I won't use.. awesome.

Though, I did just happen into a swp guild, so that could prove fun. Maybe I'll get t6 sooner than I thought.