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08-21-2012 , 04:51 AM

#6226

ChrisCrocker

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Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 1,910

I think I have radiant and flawless. I thought it was cheaper to buy from AH though than make it until u have a crap load of flawless squares lying around.

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08-21-2012 , 05:17 AM

#6227

weeeez

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Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,833

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Originally Posted by bearz

and I know approximately 0 people who play Diablo that don't care about finding items.

hummmmm i did stop playing for a month and half cause I didnt care about finding items.

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08-21-2012 , 09:13 AM

#6228

da_fume

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Originally Posted by ChrisCrocker

I think I have radiant and flawless. I thought it was cheaper to buy from AH though than make it until u have a crap load of flawless squares lying around.

Radiant Stars were about 22m yesterday on AH. F squares were up to 2k.

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08-21-2012 , 10:12 AM

#6229

bearz

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,771

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Originally Posted by weeeez

hummmmm i did stop playing for a month and half cause I didnt care about finding items.

Well you don't count as somebody playing diablo if you weren't playing...

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08-21-2012 , 10:27 AM

#6230

HollywoodHogan

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seems like 1.0.4 is gonna be a pretty epicly awesome update.

obv I'm not currently using any of the skills they buffed for any of the four characters I actively play. ><

AH fixes are great, but I don't think they addressed not being able to search for +4-8 dmg (or w/e) modifier which is a huge omission.

Paragon system seems pretty cool.

Last edited by HollywoodHogan; 08-21-2012 at 10:33 AM.

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08-21-2012 , 11:06 AM

#6231

ItalianFX

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Originally Posted by HollywoodHogan

AH fixes are great, but I don't think they addressed not being able to search for +4-8 dmg (or w/e) modifier which is a huge omission.

Is that what this is?

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"Minimum Damage" has been replaced with "Average Damage" as a searchable stat
Bonus damage is calculated as the Average Damage: (Min Damage + Max Damage) / 2
For example, searching for a Bonus Damage of 12 will find an item with 10-14 damage, 12 minimum damage, or 24 maximum damage

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08-21-2012 , 11:16 AM

#6232

HollywoodHogan

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ummm I'm not sure; I've been up all night, so I'm tired.

All I know is the old system was useless. If they did fix that, then that is a fantastic change.

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08-21-2012 , 11:21 AM

#6233

da_fume

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For example, searching for a Bonus Damage of 12 will find an item with 10-14 damage, 12 minimum damage, or 24 maximum damage

Nice one, guy who wrote the patch notes.

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08-21-2012 , 11:41 AM

#6234

Bode-ist

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,808

will we be able to see a comparison between AH items and currently equipped? that is needed in the worst way.

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08-21-2012 , 11:42 AM

#6235

hackhackhack

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 75

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Originally Posted by Bode-ist

will we be able to see a comparison between AH items and currently equipped? that is needed in the worst way.

didn't they already do that?

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08-21-2012 , 11:42 AM

#6236

da_fume

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Yeah, doing math in your head is the ****ing worst.

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08-21-2012 , 11:44 AM

#6237

ItalianFX

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Originally Posted by da_fume

Yeah, doing math in your head is the ****ing worst.

Tell me how to calculate Crit Hit, Crit Dmg, and Atk Speed, and Vitality, in comparison to the gear that I currently hold, along with min/max damage values.

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08-21-2012 , 11:51 AM

#6238

da_fume

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Create a dps index formula based on the rest of your gear. Then calculate the dps index of the item you're replacing and you have a rough comparison that works plenty well. Exact same method can be used for EHP. But, you're right, this is so much work and it's a game. No reason anyone should have to work for an edge in a game. In fact, there should be no edges in games.

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08-21-2012 , 11:57 AM

#6239

ItalianFX

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No, I shouldn't have to. It's a pain in the ass. Like I said a few posts ago, I'm not lazy about it, it's just a huge inconvenience.

When you're spending 10mil per item when all you have is 10mil, it's a huge decision to dump everything you have into a piece of gear that you have no idea if it's going to help you or not.

Seeing the tooltips in the AH should have been standard. I'm baffled that it's not there. Creating or finding an external spreadsheet and having to alt-tab 200 times sucks. All you end up doing is spending hours and hours at the AH rather than playing.

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08-21-2012 , 12:03 PM

#6240

HollywoodHogan

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so true. they def needa fix that.

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08-21-2012 , 12:07 PM

#6241

CheckDaQuads

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Wow, I actually agree with ItalianFX on something.

He even kept his answer to 3 short paragraphs.

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08-21-2012 , 12:10 PM

#6242

garcia1001

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Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,500

btw anyone know of good act 3 routes? With these changes I'll be able to swap out of MF gear soon and do act 3

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08-21-2012 , 12:19 PM

#6243

Verno

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,897

I am pretty excited about the changes. I am a little torn on the ruby in the help though. I just assumed that as I gained 5-6 levels of paragon, I would slowly start to switch out my MF gear. If I switch to a ruby in my helm, I lose 23% right off the top. That will take me quite a while to recoup via paragon. It seems pointless to try and buy another helm just for 8 levels of paragon, but maybe that is the thing to do.

What I am most excited about is finding that awesome legendary that will force me to change a character around just for that one item. That will be a lot of fun. Hopefully I am able to find that item...

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08-21-2012 , 12:23 PM

#6244

DarkMemoria

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Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,269

Anyone interested in doing some group gaming given that it no longer sucks to play anything other than solo? 4 hours to go!

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08-21-2012 , 12:40 PM

#6245

Iloseflips

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Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 54

I'd be happy to play with any 2+2er. 150kdps DH on softcore (with SS, probably 80-90k without), solid 60 Wizard on hardcore.

Tag is Ur1el#1351 (note the "1" in the name).

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08-21-2012 , 12:44 PM

#6246

HollywoodHogan

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Yeah, I'm down. I'm hesitant to commit to too much though as I need to be doing more poker grinding. But who am I kidding? It seems like the paragon system + cooler items will suck me in for a while.

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08-21-2012 , 12:54 PM

#6247

Bode-ist

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Originally Posted by da_fume

Yeah, doing math in your head is the ****ing worst.

give me a ****ing break. its easy for a lot of items, but as IFX said when you factor in crit chance/crit damage/attack speed/min-max dmg its impossible to do in your head.

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08-21-2012 , 01:06 PM

#6248

da_fume

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I'm sorry I went overboard with my sarcasm but it's definitely not impossible to get a good rough estimate of the dps contribution of an item. Anyway, the comparison calculator that d3 uses in game isn't actually good, it doesn't take into account set bonuses lost and gained.

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08-21-2012 , 01:06 PM

#6249

furyshade

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I work in a field that requires a substantial amount of math/simulation on a daily basis and I agree with IFX, I don't play games to sit around estimating DPS and market value, I just want to be able to tell when an item is good and to kill ****. The idea that people should be expected to make/use 3rd party calculators just to know what is going on in a game is absurd.