hardcores will worry about speedrunning and gearing alts

and re: leveling from the other day, it seems 1-30 is about 8 hours slower on live vs pserver

After watching a bunch of streamers, I think it's even less likely people get week 1 MC.

it'll take like 9 or 10 days after launch if the servers stay up

I think im just gonna leave the memories be. I played ~3000 hours from release to right before tbc released. I had a 60 gnome warlock (with tiger mount which was so hard to get) and 60 shaman with the epic mace from alterac valley. Raided mc and onyxia alot.

Still the best game i ever played but this game can seriously f your life, it can be so addicting. I had the time for it when i was 15, not anymore. Nostalgia hit pretty hard yesterday when browsing some streams.

I'd probably lose my job and gf if i get into this again lol

I played the open beta and classic, sat waiting for the moment the servers would open. The early wow days was real magic.

you can play casually and still have fun! that's why classic is the best

You're telling an alcoholic they can just drink casually and still have fun.

Isnt that more the case for how WOW is now? In classic getting a group together and clearing a dungeon takes like 3 hours if i remember correctly.

It also doesnt really appeal to me anymore, the endless grinding for better gear. Always loved pvp, but when people started making the best geared alts possible it really ruined bg's at every level below 60. I played Wotlk for a few months and it was pretty bad. Thats something thats going to be even much worse in classic.

one thing i hadn't thought of i saw on twitch and then someone made a youtube video today, i've never dealt with mmorpgs and the streaming community.. and it didnt really exist in wow back in the day.

like i tried to hit up twitch to watch some beta footage, and it was just mainly one popular streaming getting things handed to them and their whole community ganging up around them.

will definitely be something to avoid..

all of the big streamers are going on one server together so it will be easy to avoid thankfully

In all seriousness, when was the last time you played WoW? If the top players went to Classic, everything would be cleared in one day EASY. If you want to bet money on it, wager enough and I'm sure Method would take you up on the challenge.

Vanilla end game was a joke comapred to current content. Players are so much better; the easiest boss this xpac (Champions of the Light) would be the hardest boss in all of Vanilla. The fight has 6 easy mechanics and that's alot more than any Vanilla boss. I doubt MC will last until Week 2, there are a few top players who will be playing Classic.

LOL, the only people streaming aren't very good at the game (Esfand and his little crew). They aren't end game raiders, doubt they could clear Heroic content this xpac and they will clear in Week 1. It's musclebrah and his crew that will be World First (not that it even matters). If the top players actually cared about Classic, everything will be cleared within a few days (leveling is the only thing that would take time).

its not a matter of mechanics. its literally a matter of the time it takes to get enough people there. i understand the limiting factor is not skill - there are other more important limiting factors to whether a guild can pull it off or not.

i think a lot of people even within the beta are realizing how difficult it is to hard rush 60. there is no doubt it will be down the 2nd week, as you mention the mechanics are very well known + relatively very easy, and in molten core specifically the gear threshold is very low. so the only limiting factor will be time, which a 2nd week will allow people to actually sleep and all that.

but its not gonna happen in the first week

I also dont understand why you said "in a day easy!" as that is impossible, haha. We are literally talking about the physical week 1 timeframe, having the level 1 character->60.

you say (leveling is the only thing that would take time) and that is obviously the crux of the argument. no one is challenging the top end raiders skill or devotion to detail or strategy or anything like that. its the leveling process and the time suck that people, like me, are saying will be the limiting factor. i cant keep typing this any differently and i have to imagine people are kinda bored of that discussion, and it seems you are like getting offended as though i inferred that their skill wasn't that high OR that molten core was really hard (didnt say either of those 2 things and both are obviously bad arguments)

but something the whole bfa/retail crew probably have completely whiffed on, save the ones doing it on the beta, is how the game actually didnt baby step you to max level as it currently does. its way slower. it's not "harder" in the mechanical sense, literally anyone can do it, its hard in the "this takes a **** ton of time to do it".

Retail raiding is easy and everyone has a million weakauras and a dungeon journal and copies Method's strat. ****ing spare me you retail sperg.

Classic is not about rushing to max level and doing raids. Classic is a journey that includes the community and the world.

Nailed it.

Yeah, not the Wall of No retail idiots that are now resorting to desperate measures.

I can't wait for all the people to piss and moan about getting chain-camped by all the elitist high level griefers (lol world PvP). I think that'll be a bigger piece of what might prevent Classic from being as successful as it might be than people realize. It's hard to quantify it obviously.

you can play on a pve server

Oh I forgot about Trammel. You're right =P

whoooooooosh


A man after my own heart. **** Trammel. Long live UO.

yes the nerdcrews always ruin everything by their lifeless devotion to certain games.

my friends are just going to be chillin and pvping and taking it fairly casually, much like some of those streamers.

i personally barely remember some of the later instances in vanilla, much less ever beating them, i was like 14 on a potato pc. im sure some lifeless kids have been playing some vanilla private server for the past 15 years that will beat me tho. oh well.

i couldnt care if some retail nerdsbros are the best at wow, thats like the saddest thing ever.

The worst griefing I've experienced in an MMO is on the project 99 everquest red server. There were specific known fully geared pvp characters who were effectively unbeatable for even a party of leveling toons. They would gank characters frequenting the most common midgame leveling dungeons in the game. The only reason this was possible was because the economy was dog**** since the server had been on the same expansion for literally 5+ years. The only reason that anyone could camp the leveling dungeons anytime they saw noobs in them is because the game had literally been on the same expansion for literally 5 years and they had nothing better to do. In short, while there is some possibility that their will be pvp griefing, it is extremely unlikely to happen in the launch months for a number of reasons and can easily be avoided after the launch months even on a pvp server by starting on a new server.

WoW private server people should be able to field open world PvP concerns.

The only reason I'd imagine rampant low level ganking wouldn't be much of an issue is because there is absolutely no reward for doing so beyond the initial lolumad?

Even true *******s eventually get bored of being an ******* just for the sake of it. I think roaming gank squads in the high level zones where you still get HKs are more likely and possibly more frustrating. Likely nigh unplayable for the lone wolf types.