we don't really have any notable history

Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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SB: $634.60
BB: $444.60
Hero (CO): $543.20
BTN: $680.10

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 8 7
Hero raises to $14, BTN calls $14, 2 folds

Flop: ($34.00) K 7 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $25, BTN raises to $80

dont fold..

i mean, clearly, i only lose to two combos of hands.

i suppose what i'm asking is the following: how often does he have T9s, AK, and AA?

you forgot KQ and you're not deep enough to ever fold this.

For ****'s sakes, guys, he's not asking if he should fold, he's asking what's the best line to get the money in.

Call/check/shove is my preferred line here.

If he does happen to be on air, you get an extra bet. If he has AK/AA/KQ/etc, he'll be getting a pretty good price to call a check shove, and he's unlikely to take the freebie.

He might take a freebie with 9T/56, but when he does bet the blank turn you're in good shape.

Mostly, I don't like a 3bet on the flop here, cuz I don't think you're going to get him to commit any extra hands as a bluff.

Call, C/R any safe Turn. If you wanna get fancy, 3-b smallish or CiB if you want to, but w/o history...meh.

thoughts on call and leading the turn? I find that induces a lot of raises, however I don't play against people as good as brower, so I don't know.

agree

CiB



someone had to say it

pokerstove might help with % of hands in a range

as with most questions, there's a lot going on here with him calling in position and then raising your flop bet on a k high board. and you don't have enough info for anyone to answer your question properly.

More important question- does he stack off with 910, ak or aa to a 3bet on flop?

Or whats the best line here to get more money in the pot. Hopefully he's really tilted/on 16 tables and will call a large raise and then a lead on the turn with 910 or KQ. Its a toss up in my mind, but i like calling and leading the turn if turn is not J or Q, esp if you think he's capable of making a move if C/R on turn fails and goes check, check and putting you to a tough decision on the river if scare card comes.

pretty sure someone already did. lol.

this is my line 100% of the time barring a ****ty turn

id usually 3bet.

Yeah I'd 3bet here. If you call theres $188 in the pot and you have $450 behind so you're looking at c/ring a $150~ bet which gives him plenty of room to fold whatever hand he has and I doubt he is calling it off unless he has a hand that has you beat, which he shouldn't because he should be 3betting PF with all those hands. So I'd put him on a draw or a weaker hand which are probably just checking the turn for pot control. hmmm, 3bet and then check raise turn! I dunno. Either way I don't like calling because I want to get a lot of money in.

i don't think you're going to get a lot of money in here

Without history I call and CRAI turn. Depending on image I'll 3-bet to balance my range when I 3-bet flop with OESD. If my image is **** I'm 3-betting most likely a CiB and if I've been in-line I'll call and CRAI turn.

3b imo

i cib like 100% of my range here

i def 3b here vs brower. call and c/r turn is good vs some for sure, just not him.

come on youre not that cool

that and this:

pretty much sum up my feelings.

there are about a trillion cards that suck for you on the turn and you don't know which one sucks...oop i repop this

3bet is my standard. I don't like call and c/r since there is a lot of potential for the turn to get checked through which is a disaster. our hand is somewhat vulnerable. call and lead could be ok. thoughts on this line vs 3bet?

if you have a dumb spewish type image you should 3bet flop. he will call AK/AA pf and play for stacks on a flop like this. otherwise big jim pretty much has it nailed