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11-27-2016 , 08:54 AM
PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

SB: 63.5 BB (VPIP: 54.17, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BB: 159.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 24)
UTG: 103.5 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
CO: 80 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BTN): 85 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Qd Th
fold, fold, CO raises to 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (8.5 BB, 2 players) Qs 7s 5h
CO bets 4 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, CO calls 4 BB

Turn : (24.5 BB, 2 players) 8d
CO checks, Hero bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB

River : (44.5 BB, 2 players) 3d
CO checks, Hero bets 17 BB, CO raises to 34 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

CO shows Qc Qh (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 89%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)

Hero mucks Qd Th (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 11%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)

CO wins 108.5 BB


Man, I seriously thought I was blocking QQ. Super distraught. Should I have known this was the case?
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11-27-2016 , 08:56 AM
fold pre
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11-27-2016 , 08:57 AM
lol actually fold pre or meme fold pre?
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11-27-2016 , 06:31 PM
Yeah fold pre but never call that river x/r either. You can sometimes 3 bet bluff that hand pre too but not vs that sizing.
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11-27-2016 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by temporaryuserid
lol actually fold pre or meme fold pre?
Very easy fold pre. Post it is an overplay of Tpair/no kicker.
At first sight I thought you turned it to bluff but it is not possible, bluffs never call river raise.

Never mind, you are starting at NL2, such things just happen.
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11-27-2016 , 07:34 PM
Why is QTo fold pre on the button? Could you open raise from there
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11-27-2016 , 07:38 PM
You can open on the button with Q10o, but don't call VS CO open, especially not on NL2

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11-27-2016 , 08:04 PM
SB: 63.5 BB (VPIP: 54.17, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

^ This is probably a reason why we called pre
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11-27-2016 , 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mchares
SB: 63.5 BB (VPIP: 54.17, PFR: 4.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

^ This is probably a reason why we called pre
Oh yeah, if you do that though you shouldn't be calling more than like two bets postflop with it. I also noticed Hero lolminraised flop. He should never be raising and never calling any raises postflop like he does on the river. Like with something so meh your first thought postflop should be this hand isn't really worth more than 2 streets.
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11-27-2016 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Oh yeah, if you do that though you shouldn't be calling more than like two bets postflop with it. I also noticed Hero lolminraised flop. He should never be raising and never calling any raises postflop like he does on the river. Like with something so meh your first thought postflop should be this hand isn't really worth more than 2 streets.
+1 totally agree, what would be ur calling range when having this SB behind?
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11-28-2016 , 04:48 AM
Well played, cooler. Don't listen to these noobs.
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11-28-2016 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BornToRun
Well played, cooler. Don't listen to these noobs.
Always respected your game man! You can't go wrong with this guy, just do what he says!
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11-28-2016 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BornToRun
Well played, cooler. Don't listen to these noobs.
Not very cool.

Don't call open raises with this junk, even vs a fish you are in a bad spot most of the time.

Once we get to the flop our hand is a bluffcatcher so we shouldn't be raising. If we must raise, ask why are we raising - if we think villain calls with worse like Q9 then go ahead but make it big because otherwise he can call correctly with any flush draw etc. But since he is unlikely to call with a worse hand we should consider this a bluff - which is silly because we have good showdown value - ie. try and see the river without bloating the pot. If you must use a HUD then use your HUD - he has raised one of his 24 hands, assume he has a big hand preflop so he may have a big hand now. So basically we can only call flop but see how this is a thin call ie. we don't beat much and there are many bad turns and rivers like A, K, spade etc..

Turn, your bet is too small and achieves nothing, he can still continue with draws and even AK if he thinks he can secure value on the river - ie. implied odds. But this is thin remember what happened pre flop and flop.

In general just bet and raise big like 3/4 pot bets and 3 or 4 times the original bet when raising - for now anyway.

River - fish raises river means usually strong

OP, you are a fish, but it's ok, you are in the right place. Start trawling the archives and do some research online and get your ABC game up to scratch. And buy in for 100 BBS and keep your stack at that size
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11-28-2016 , 09:16 AM
The problem with raising TP, especially with no kicker, is he's going to fold all his bluffs and continue with hands that beat you. If he has AK for example you want to call and let him continue bluffing. Here you want to raise 77/55, and then bluff raise like 89hh for example
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11-28-2016 , 07:32 PM
Ez fold pre
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11-28-2016 , 08:19 PM
Fold pre and (no offense) I do advice you to also focus on some basic principles on postflopplay and watch some trainingvideos
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11-28-2016 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BornToRun
Well played, cooler. Don't listen to these noobs.

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Originally Posted by goranbaxy
Always respected your game man! You can't go wrong with this guy, just do what he says!

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Originally Posted by tomj
Not very cool.

Don't call open raises with this junk, even vs a fish you are in a bad spot most of the time.

Once we get to the flop our hand is a bluffcatcher so we shouldn't be raising. If we must raise, ask why are we raising - if we think villain calls with worse like Q9 then go ahead but make it big because otherwise he can call correctly with any flush draw etc. But since he is unlikely to call with a worse hand we should consider this a bluff - which is silly because we have good showdown value - ie. try and see the river without bloating the pot. If you must use a HUD then use your HUD - he has raised one of his 24 hands, assume he has a big hand preflop so he may have a big hand now. So basically we can only call flop but see how this is a thin call ie. we don't beat much and there are many bad turns and rivers like A, K, spade etc..

Turn, your bet is too small and achieves nothing, he can still continue with draws and even AK if he thinks he can secure value on the river - ie. implied odds. But this is thin remember what happened pre flop and flop.

In general just bet and raise big like 3/4 pot bets and 3 or 4 times the original bet when raising - for now anyway.

River - fish raises river means usually strong

OP, you are a fish, but it's ok, you are in the right place. Start trawling the archives and do some research online and get your ABC game up to scratch. And buy in for 100 BBS and keep your stack at that size

This is who I bring respect to, players who with arguments show you the best way you can possibly play a hand, never one who besides giving not argument, comes and show his self off and bring no help. Posts: 2,032 which Ill never read any cos I don't find any respect to give to one who doesn't even argument, he doesn't know that the best way for learning is teaching, the best way to receive respect is giving it, so I will appreciate that your 2,032 posts never increase more unless you dedicate urself to help here, and well basically, in the end, is yourself the one that you're going to be helping.
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11-29-2016 , 05:47 AM
Thank you so much for the help guys!
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11-29-2016 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by mchares
This is who I bring respect to, players who with arguments show you the best way you can possibly play a hand, never one who besides giving not argument, comes and show his self off and bring no help. Posts: 2,032 which Ill never read any cos I don't find any respect to give to one who doesn't even argument, he doesn't know that the best way for learning is teaching, the best way to receive respect is giving it, so I will appreciate that your 2,032 posts never increase more unless you dedicate urself to help here, and well basically, in the end, is yourself the one that you're going to be helping.
2,033*
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11-29-2016 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by mchares
This is who I bring respect to, players who with arguments show you the best way you can possibly play a hand, never one who besides giving not argument, comes and show his self off and bring no help. Posts: 2,032 which Ill never read any cos I don't find any respect to give to one who doesn't even argument, he doesn't know that the best way for learning is teaching, the best way to receive respect is giving it, so I will appreciate that your 2,032 posts never increase more unless you dedicate urself to help here, and well basically, in the end, is yourself the one that you're going to be helping.
I agree about the other guy, but from my point of view - OP asked where he went wrong so it's worth answering that question. In general yes there is always a debate and this is good but stuff like calling opens with any 2 broadways and minraising and valueowning with TPNK is generally not debatable.

Most players start out with a basic ABC strat to beat NL2 and from there people can read deeper into stuff, learn new concepts and debate - that is why we are here, to learn as you say. But basic stuff like not giving direct odds to fish to call with any draw has to be dealt with first imo.
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