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02-28-2008 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptVimes
You don't work for DIS software out of Peru do you? If so, I use your software at work every spring. Can you get us a discount?
Na, the company I work for is named Manatron.

What county are you in then?
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02-28-2008 , 09:38 PM
Sorry. Villain opens 4X... standard for him. Both are full stacked 100BB


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Originally Posted by King Spew
Why do you play poker?
Do you have a specific poker goal?

You have QQ hand in BB and reraise a steal attempt and get called by a 18/13/3 villain that is a tough opponent capable of making your life miserable.
#1 What was your reraise size and why.

The flop comes down any number of bad ways but the basics are that you have an over pair and the board is drawy (2 card FD or three middle str8 cards).
#2 Plan the balance of the hand.

(Im squirming just typing this situation . In my mind all kidding aside, we are caught. Is there anyway to avoid this situation that is +EV))

In above example, rather than drawy, the flop comes down Axxr. Plan the hand.
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02-28-2008 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by threads13
Na, the company I work for is named Manatron.

What county are you in then?
Allen. Do You design stuff for Govt. or private use?
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02-28-2008 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptVimes
Allen. Do You design stuff for Govt. or private use?
Government use. Actually we put in a bid for you county just as I started working there but your county didn't like us apparently.
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02-28-2008 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by threads13
I'm saying that their range if their range is draws and things like that, they just improved a lot on that turn card... whether it be a straight or two pair.
The only hand that seems to make sense with that logic is 7 8 (leaving the 'idiot' straight). Maybe villain played Q 8 but I highly doubt it. That seems to be such a small part of his range. I would be more concerned with a set/2pr than with the straight.



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Well, as first start adding tables your actual winrate on a per hand basis drops because you will not be able to play really close attention and exploit players as well. However, after awhile the pure number of hands you can play in an hour will more than make up for the drop in your per hand win rate.

Advantages:
It allows you to get more hands in and make money at a faster rate.

Disadvantages:
You don't get to focus on exploiting players as much, which takes some of the fun out of it for me. It becomes more difficult to learn some of the intricacies of poker because you aren't able to focus on things as much since you have to make decisions quickly.
This tells me I should stay with one table for now. My win rate is not as consistant as I would like it to be. I'm afraid that if I multi-table, with my inconsistant play, that I'd burn thru my bankroll too rapidly. Also, my original reason for playing online is to work on my handreading in order to improve my live play, which is primarily at home games or tourneys. I have no bankroll for even the smallest live cash games.

Thanks for the 'thread'
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02-28-2008 , 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by King Spew
You have QQ hand in BB and reraise a steal attempt and get called by a 18/13/3 villain that is a tough opponent capable of making your life miserable.
#1 What was your reraise size and why.

The flop comes down any number of bad ways but the basics are that you have an over pair and the board is drawy (2 card FD or three middle str8 cards).
#2 Plan the balance of the hand.

(Im squirming just typing this situation . In my mind all kidding aside, we are caught. Is there anyway to avoid this situation that is +EV))

In above example, rather than drawy, the flop comes down Axxr. Plan the hand.
I believe that the villain you are describing is going to call a lot of 3-bets, so I am going to 3-bet big. A couple reasons, I am manipulating the pot size such that his preflop mistakes will be huge. If he wants to call my 3-bets with a wide range, which he shouldn't, I am going to take advantage of that mistake by making my 3-bets large. My hypothetical call puts ~9BB in the pot, so I think I would raise 1.5x-2 more. So that is a raise in the 19BB to 25BB range. Say I raise to 20BB for easy math, then the preflop pot is 40BB when he calls. That means 40BB with 80BB behind. He isn't getting any implied odds. If I flop an overpair I am committed. If he flops two-pair or a set, good for him.

If I flop an overpair there is no way I'm folding with an SPR of 2. If he outflops me, then good for him. He is making a huge mistake preflop and there is no making up for it in the long run. I have good equity even against a lot of his raising range because he will probably push with draws and things like that also. Against a player that calls 3-bets too lightly, I will 3-bet larger preflop and tend to weight my range towards big hands more.

You said that the villain's play is +EV, yes? Well, it depends what exactly his calling range is, but I am inferring that you think his calling range is fairly wide. He can't call my 3-bet with a wider range and it still be +EV because I am taking away his rope with a big 3-bet.

When an A comes I am in much worse shape. I can't really say exactly what I would do because it would start mattering a whole bunch what those other cards are. If the flop is A54 then I would be more apt check the flop. I don't think A's are a lot of this guy's calling range and I also don't think he will bet the flop with 99 or something like that. So, I think I could actually check-fold in that spot. Interestingly, if I had AK I would also often check in this spot because I would think there would be no way that he will call me with a worse hand and my only way for value is to get him to bet. So, if he wants to assume my check means I don't have a good A that is fine but he will be wrong about my range and thus be making a mistake by betting.
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02-28-2008 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Win.by.TKo
The only hand that seems to make sense with that logic is 7 8 (leaving the 'idiot' straight). Maybe villain played Q 8 but I highly doubt it. That seems to be such a small part of his range. I would be more concerned with a set/2pr than with the straight.
Exactly. I think your thinking is good. That's what I was trying to get at. The turn card could have improved him to a straight, a good draw, or two-pair. I'm saying the he could have called the flop with MP or something and now he turned two pair. I think JT//T9/ are definitely in his range. A set is definitely possible, but that isn't as likely cause we probably would have heard from it on the flop. I believe I said before that I think his flop c/c'ing range is lots of daws, any pair on the board(maybe not bottom pair) and solid draws. The hands that his likely to have hit a pair with a J or 9 often include a T. The T also improves draws to straights and backdoor draws to real draws. It certainly doesn't always improve his hand, but it improves it a lot. The problem also is that on this board the only hands in his range that call/raise the turn that we beat are pair + draw hands, naked OESD's. Our equity is ok against those, but we are drawing to 6 to 10 outs against much more of his range so our equity becomes very meh. It's a close spot though.




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This tells me I should stay with one table for now. My win rate is not as consistant as I would like it to be. I'm afraid that if I multi-table, with my inconsistant play, that I'd burn thru my bankroll too rapidly. Also, my original reason for playing online is to work on my handreading in order to improve my live play, which is primarily at home games or tourneys. I have no bankroll for even the smallest live cash games.

Thanks for the 'thread'
Yeah... I built my role from a small amount too, so I know where you are coming from(I'm surprised no one has asked that yet... ). It just takes a lot of patience.

No problem, man.
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02-28-2008 , 11:05 PM
What hand is your biggest loser (if you don't have access to your historic PT database then which do you think is your biggest loser)?

Do you play AQo UTG? If so, is it a standard 4x raise?
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02-28-2008 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Michigan13
What hand is your biggest loser (if you don't have access to your historic PT database then which do you think is your biggest loser)?

Do you play AQo UTG? If so, is it a standard 4x raise?
I am looking at the same database that I posted the graph on that that has 38k hands.

My biggest loser is A7s from both a net and a bb/hand perspective.

I generally play AQ UTG. It depends on the game whether or not I raise it. If most of the players behind me are pretty weak-tight then I play it for a raise. If there is a tricky player with position I am more apt to limp it. If I limp it I may call, fold, or raise if it raised behind me. I don't like playing it that much OOP against a known floater type, so if there are a lot of those behind me who have been playing back at me I may just let it go.
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02-28-2008 , 11:59 PM
Thanks for doing this threads.

What do you feel is a good, sustainable win-rate for NL25 and NL50?

What are some key "enlightening" moments in your learning/playing that have helped you become a better player?
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02-29-2008 , 12:35 AM
1) How did you go about finding a coach and how much does it cost?
2) Which sites do you play on?
3) If you play on full tilt who are the toughest regulars at 50nl in your opinion?
4) If you currently had $10,622.28 in your account what level would you play?

Thanks
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02-29-2008 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CCCP
Thanks for doing this threads.

What do you feel is a good, sustainable win-rate for NL25 and NL50?
I think that depends very much on the player and the number of tables you are playing at a time. If you are playing 24 tables then I think anything in the 2-3PTBB range is pretty good. I think if you are playing 4 tables or less a really good player could be somewhere in the range of 8PTBB. I know that goes against common beliefs, but I think that there is a lot more exploiting that can be done than people realize.

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What are some key "enlightening" moments in your learning/playing that have helped you become a better player?
There have been some really good hand reading things that have came out. Like, say its a limped 5 way pot and I have like QTo on the button with two semi-tight players limped in. The flop comes Q-high all hearts and I don't have a heard. The EP limper a tight player bets and the other tight player calls. The caller probably has a very strong hand.

Another thing has been planning my hand.

The most recent thing is the ole "if you bet/raise and get raised/reraised and you have a break-even call, you probably should have bet more of less". I've read about this a while back, but the scope of it started coming into focus last week.
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02-29-2008 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 83offsuit
1) How did you go about finding a coach and how much does it cost?
There are lots of resources out there for finding coaches. Ed Miller has a directory on his site that you could check out. Different coaches charge different rates. Ed's site quotes some in the $50-$75/hour range. Some are more expensive and I'm sure some are less expensive. For me, I knew exactly who I wanted to work so I went to his site and went from there.

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2) Which sites do you play on?
PokerStars and FTP.


I'm actually going to move most of my money to FTP because I don't play enough to makes PokerStar's perks beat FTP's rakeback.

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3) If you play on full tilt who are the toughest regulars at 50nl in your opinion?
To tell you the truth, I don't remember any names off of the top of my head of ever thinking "Wow, I gotta watch out for this guy". Certainly, if I find a player is good I will just avoid spots that might otherwise be marginal, but I don't really remember any specific names. I haven't played as much on FT though.

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4) If you currently had $10,622.28 in your account what level would you play?
Well, that's an interesting number.

Considering I haven't ever played 2/4, I would probably start there and see if I can beat the game. I would be taking shots at 5/10 pretty soon though.

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Thanks
No troubles.
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02-29-2008 , 12:22 PM
Ok, I think I have been set loose upon the world again.

It was a lot of fun answering everyone's questions. There were a lot of a lot of interesting questions that allowed me to ramble on. We all know that I like that...

Feel free to post any questions in here in the future and I'll reply if I see it. Since I'm not in the well any more, I reserve the right to be cryptic and/or not answer the question.
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02-29-2008 , 05:10 PM
I found this well very interesting but i've been avoiding posting here cause i'm pretty sure i'm the trollest poster around when it comes to wells, but w/e:

- Favorite beer?

- How old are you?

- Did you deposit or you built your roll from scratch?

- Do you have/had at one point a coach?

- Have you ever considered going pro?

- What's the most non-sexual pleasuring thing someone can make/offer you?

- How tall are you?

- In your opinion why don't americans like soccer as much as europeans?

- Do you like Chris Hansen?

- Who's the person you respect more in the world? Who's the poster you have more respect for in uNL FR forums?

Thanks.
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02-29-2008 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by speedle
I found this well very interesting but i've been avoiding posting here cause i'm pretty sure i'm the trollest poster around when it comes to wells, but w/e:

- Favorite beer?
Franziskaner. The light one, but I love the dark one too.

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- How old are you?
24 next month

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- Did you deposit or you built your roll from scratch?
I deposited $50 on Party Poker and moved up from there. I started at .25/.50 LHE. That's way underolled, but somehow I survived.

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- Do you have/had at one point a coach?
I've had two. I had one during my limit days who was a respected regular around the limit forums. Most recently I've done some sessions with Sunny Mehta.

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- Have you ever considered going pro?
Absolutely, although I would probably want to do it as a live pro vs. online pro. I actually hope to do that in the next couple years.

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- What's the most non-sexual pleasuring thing someone can make/offer you?
Heh... ummmm... steak? Ha... I have no idea. A really good beer really is a very pleasurable thing. Maybe that's my answer.

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- How tall are you?
5-8.

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- In your opinion why don't americans like soccer as much as europeans?
I have lot's of speculating ideas. Americans like things that are created in America (or at least they did more back in the day). Thus we love baseall, American football, and basektball and don't care for rugby, soccer, and hockey. Also, Americans tend to be a little less... ummmm... free-thinking than Europeans. I'd also say that since our parents generally don't get into it, neither do we. Interests often pass down from our parents.

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- Do you like Chris Hansen?
I'm indifferent.

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- Who's the person you respect more in the world? Who's the poster you have more respect for in uNL FR forums?
My grandpa. He says what he thinks, he is respectful, he is knowledgeable, and he has taught me a lot.

That depends on what day of the week it is. In order to really answer the question I must declare my grounds for respect. To gain my respect a poster must be...

- not a jerk in his/her posts
- helpful
- thoughtful
- knowledgeable
- willing to learn
- willing to discuss new ideas
- not stuck in their ways
- think critically and openly

It's the sad state that a lot of the knowledgeable person are immediately disqualified from being one of my most respected posters listen (if not least respected) because of requirements 1, 7, and 8. So really the posters I respect are not necessarily the one's who know the most about the game.

Having said that...

I can't really pick one guy so I will pick the 3 that come to me off the top of my head that embody those characteristics the most.

CaptVimes
Sounded Simple
Want to Learn

They all seem like really nice guys who are thinking critically about the game. I generally seek out their posts because good discussion will follow.

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Thanks.
No problem.
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02-29-2008 , 06:32 PM
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In your opinion why don't americans like soccer as much as europeans?
hard to get to like a game when i keep falling asleep trying to watch it. (live is fine, but televised is just horrible)
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02-29-2008 , 07:02 PM
As far as Soccer in America is concerned, I believe that another factor is the English speaking broadcasters. They present the sport with no energy and little explanation as to the whys of the style(s) of play presented. The broadcasts I've seen is Spanish (despite my Spanish not being all that strong) are more entertaining. They bring more energy during play (and ever-so-slightly overdo it on goals).

The other factor is that Americans seem to struggle with sports leagues not in the top 3 (MLB, NBA & NFL). However, we tend to eat up the world events involving team USA (or Mexico around these parts). I enjoy the World Cup, Copa del Oro, and like events, but cannot seem to stomach MLS games, such the San Jose Earthquakes vs. the LA Galaxy (Beckham or not). Not even the NorCal v. SoCal rivalry can inspire me.

Lastly, there are too many 'fake' injuries and flops. Soccer floppers even outflop the NBA, which is difficult to achieve.
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02-04-2012 , 02:05 PM
bump
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02-04-2012 , 07:03 PM
cheers for the bump


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I'm actually going to move most of my money to FTP because I don't play enough to makes PokerStar's perks beat FTP's rakeback.
aaggh
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02-05-2012 , 02:58 AM
liked your series on deuces cracked moving on up have watched it multiple times.

I also remember you getting coaching (or at least in the video's) with djsensei in the Dojo NL ring games or whatever series, did you find when you went over hands with a few other players / 1 coach was a more effective way to look at HH's or just to go through your database by yourself and a coach and just do it 1 on 1 versus a group?
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