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Weird spot with TT OTT Weird spot with TT OTT

08-08-2022 , 07:06 PM
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($39.72) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 23.8% | AGG: 37.9% | Flop Agg: 45.3% | Turn Agg: 34.2% | 3-Bet: 11.1% | 4-Bet: 14.8% | Hands: 63680]
HJ ($22.10) [VPIP: 37.5% | PFR: 18.8% | AGG: 35.7% | Flop Agg: 16.7% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 12.5% | Fold to 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 16]
CO ($24.65) [VPIP: 35.3% | PFR: 14.7% | AGG: 25.9% | Hands: 34]
BTN ($26.20) [VPIP: 38.5% | PFR: 15.4% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 14]
SB ($20.10) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 8]
BB ($29.51) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 80% | Hands: 7]

Dealt to Hero: T T

HERO Raises To $0.75, HJ Raises To $2.25, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HERO Calls $1.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.09 effective]
Flop ($4.85): 8 7 3
HERO Checks, HJ Checks

Turn ($4.85): 8 7 3 4
HERO Bets $4.61 (Rem. Stack: $32.86), HJ Raises To $12 (Rem. Stack: $7.85), HERO ?
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08-08-2022 , 07:19 PM
Why such a big bet on the turn?
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08-08-2022 , 07:20 PM
I imagine this is the best TT to call with in theory, but in practice I don’t see being good here very often.
I just think standard players play pretty face up here and are just calling to see river too often against the majority of their range that you beat.
EP vs HJ should be fairly tight so if he isn’t raising his Broadway FD’s/A5cc/A5hh type stuff OTT I think you’re just cooked range vs range given assumptions.
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08-08-2022 , 07:36 PM
Turn seems too big, unless you are confident he won't check over pairs. If that's the case jam turn.
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08-08-2022 , 08:19 PM
Thinking about this one more and honestly not sure anymore if we’d rather have the TT that unblocks FD’s or the TT that blocks value. lol
It changes depending on the spot in strange ways sometimes.
Don’t see population playing a spot this complicated anywhere near theory though, so what matters most is what we think happens by majority of players in anon pool.
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08-08-2022 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Turn seems too big, unless you are confident he won't check over pairs. If that's the case jam turn.
Even if he 100% never checked overpairs OTF I still wouldn't jam turn though. I'd be targeting AK/AQ type hands so we would bet small.
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08-08-2022 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 0NoobiePoker0
Why such a big bet on the turn?
I'm not sure I like the sizing either. Maybe smaller?
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08-08-2022 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by XtraScratch8
Thinking about this one more and honestly not sure anymore if we’d rather have the TT that unblocks FD’s or the TT that blocks value. lol
It changes depending on the spot in strange ways sometimes.
Don’t see population playing a spot this complicated anywhere near theory though, so what matters most is what we think happens by majority of players in anon pool.
I actually think I should just fold preflop after thinking about it.

I pulled up some data:





So GTO is between 8-9% in this spot so unless he is a nutball/tricky lag he probably is stronger than he should be.

I folded in game but I really think this is AA at a high % here. It makes the most sense to me.

I'll report back when I find out what he had tomorrow.
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08-08-2022 , 08:43 PM
I'm not sure if I understood? Sorry
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08-08-2022 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
I'm not sure if I understood? Sorry
I'm saying if you put his range at 0 overpairs OTT. Jamming doesnt make sense because his range is overcards that have 6 outs vs us so we target Ace/KQ high hands and bet small.


Jamming makes zero hands in his range indifferent towards calling so we wouldn't use that sizing.
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08-08-2022 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I'm saying if you put his range at 0 overpairs OTT. Jamming doesnt make sense because his range is overcards that have 6 outs vs us so we target Ace/KQ high hands and bet small.


Jamming makes zero hands in his range indifferent towards calling so we wouldn't use that sizing.
They often have a FD or some additional eqity and folding 2 overs is not bad either if we jam.
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08-08-2022 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
They often have a FD or some additional eqity and folding 2 overs is not bad either if we jam.
Yeah getting a fold is nice but that wasn't my point.

I'm saying a solver would never pick that sizing so jamming turn wouldn't be the best since we 100% have the best hand.

If the best hand a person can have is 15 outs once, you'd probably go potish vs them. They would 100% fold vs a jam so jamming is the worst sizing.
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08-08-2022 , 09:21 PM
If they fold 100% that's sounds great to me. We win every time.
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08-08-2022 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I'm not sure I like the sizing either. Maybe smaller?
Well I think a bet here mostly is going for denying equity to missed over cards and a smaller bet would still accomplish that.
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08-08-2022 , 11:48 PM
I'd bet the turn smaller.

l think the raise by a broken stack guy is going to be overpairs too much with him in MP.
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08-09-2022 , 08:27 AM
on this turn we can have two sizings since our range contains a lot of strong hands such as sets, two pair and straights that want to polarize with our strongest draws

we also have lots of one pair hands (such as TT) that need protection and can get value from villain's A-high hands, so we can bet small along with weaker draws

or we can just simplify and go small with everything imo
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08-09-2022 , 08:58 AM
I'd probably 4bet pre with this and may consider flatting QQ+ sometimes. Turn I would jam, they can do this with draws and overs etc, better to deny equity and avoid annoying river spots imo
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