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04-27-2013 , 01:55 PM

BigVix

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2 Hands I have questions on I'm seeing this a lot of these types of plays. First one I think is just fishy amiright? 2nd hand is what i've been watching a LOT of today is this just standard the all in OTF with a flush draw? Please educate me

HAND 1

Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17214621

BTN: $551.48 (110.3 bb)
SB: $228.97 (45.8 bb)
BB: $567.20 (113.4 bb)
UTG: $627.12 (125.4 bb)
MP: $500 (100 bb)
CO: $626.73 (125.3 bb)

Preflop:
2 folds, CO raises to $10, BTN raises to $35, 2 folds, CO calls $25

Flop: ($77.50) T

(2 players)
CO checks, BTN bets $45, CO calls $45

Turn: ($167.50) 8

(2 players)
CO checks, BTN bets $115, CO calls $115

River: ($397.50) 4

(2 players)
CO checks, BTN bets $356.48 and is all-in, CO calls $356.48

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Hand 2

Poker Stars, $2.50/$5 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #17214641

BTN: $500 (100 bb)
SB: $603.46 (120.7 bb)
BB: $1,358.43 (271.7 bb)
UTG: $192.31 (38.5 bb)
MP: $527.74 (105.5 bb)
CO: $682.72 (136.5 bb)

Preflop:
UTG folds, MP raises to $15, CO raises to $45, 3 folds, MP calls $30

Flop: ($97.50) Q

(2 players)
MP checks, CO bets $50, MP raises to $145, CO raises to $637.72 and is all-in, MP calls $337.74 and is all-in

Turn: ($1,062.98) 7

(2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($1,062.98) A

(2 players, 2 are all-in)

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pot sized all-in/over-bets with a flush draw. Is this standard?

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04-27-2013 , 02:16 PM

NCSU07

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people bluff a lot. top pair beats bluffs and nut flush draw is fun to gambol with

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04-27-2013 , 04:16 PM

BigVix

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Originally Posted by NCSU07

people bluff a lot. top pair beats bluffs and nut flush draw is fun to gambol with

So there is no explanation or mathematical sence to it? Its just a "fun gamble"?

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04-27-2013 , 04:46 PM

mperich

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These hands are insane.

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04-27-2013 , 04:51 PM

TalentedTom

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very suspicious play here indeed, nut flush draw playing for stacks vs TPTK in a 3 bet pot, you should report this.

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04-27-2013 , 07:15 PM

BigVix

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I don't play online I'm asking if this is normal. Seems your being sarcastic? And seems like this is normal play just asking for an understanding why. Makes no sense to me shoving on a draw. Without even a combo draw exe just seems standard

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04-27-2013 , 07:19 PM

oNste

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You are just a noob and don't understand their level 9 thinking and next level plays.

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04-27-2013 , 09:05 PM

BigVix

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Originally Posted by oNste

You are just a noob and don't understand their level 9 thinking and next level plays.

Glad to see no poker theory and discussions are going on here.
Thanks for the help bro nice level

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04-27-2013 , 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVix

Glad to see no poker theory and discussions are going on here.
Thanks for the help bro nice level

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Ok then.

One hand was a bluff line that got there because he hit his Gutshot, and was paid off because villain obviously decided he didnt have many combos that took this line.

The next hand, one player got it in on a board with TPTK, with the main reason probably being that villain could probably be on a draw. Guess what, he was!

Let's not forget that at these stakes there would be some sick dynamics.

No problems bro.

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04-27-2013 , 09:35 PM

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Let's not forget that the dude with the NFD shoved FIRST, and didn't CALL the shove. Therefore he took the initiative and his shove range here could consist of two pairs, sets, and various draws.

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04-27-2013 , 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVix

So there is no explanation or mathematical sence to it? Its just a "fun gamble"?

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Money in the pot + nut flush fk yeah + maybe he folds and I win + maybe my ace outs are good = ship it baby. This is how nerds gambol

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04-28-2013 , 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by oNste

pretty meh analysis and neither of these hands require sick dynamics btw

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04-28-2013 , 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by african princee

pretty meh analysis and neither of these hands require sick dynamics btw

Id have to agree with you, however I'm a micro stakes player. And I'm on my phone. My thought process is increasing each day. But of course I still don't have absolute perfect analysis.

Give me a few more months

Ps: I also said would, not that they were present in these hands, but they could have been.

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04-28-2013 , 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by oNste

You are just a noob and don't understand their level 9 thinking and next level plays.

only called you out because you wrote this^^^^^

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04-28-2013 , 07:59 AM

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only called you out because you wrote this^^^^^

Obviously joke is obvious.

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04-28-2013 , 10:16 AM

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Ok. Ill do more figures on it. Its not just this hand all of them I was watching for an hour about ten different times the money went in on the flop who held the flush draw ended up shoving stack and other held top pair two paor or exe don't matter same situation basically every time. Seems standard but thanks for the input

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04-28-2013 , 06:19 PM

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I believe a lot of plays are made very light these days, like it's the trend.

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04-29-2013 , 01:35 AM

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cheech

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Guy with AK played his hand bad

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04-30-2013 , 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by TalentedTom

very suspicious play here indeed, nut flush draw playing for stacks vs TPTK in a 3 bet pot, you should report this.

haha

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04-30-2013 , 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BigVix

So there is no explanation or mathematical sence to it? Its just a "fun gamble"?

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Move Down Limits.

2/5 online is MUCH tougher than 2/5 live.

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04-30-2013 , 08:52 AM

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Don't u guys know the hands u see in observe mode of zoom are delayed (obv) and are chosen based on a formula that takes into account pot size? For every one of these hands u see there are hundreds of smaller pots going on. Not representative of the player pool at all

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04-30-2013 , 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack o' 88

Best info given yet...
But I am fully aware how the replays work

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