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Versus this line which turn sizing is the weakest? Versus this line which turn sizing is the weakest?
View Poll Results: Which sizing structure contains the weakest range vs 3BP IP PFC?
C30-B30-B
9 36.00%
C30-B50-B
14 56.00%
C30-B70-B
2 8.00%

05-08-2024 , 10:24 AM
Greetings again.

Another MDA poll brought to you by DDP.

Let's say you are in the SB as 3BP OOP PFR vs BTN 3BP IP PFC. You decide to cbet 30% on the flop and get called. You X turn, your opponent stabs and you call. River comes in and you check again. Your opponent jams all in.

If all we know are the sizing's of our opponent's bet------>which sizing contains the weakest range?

A. C30-B30-B

B. C30-B50-B

C. C30-B70-B


The answer will be revealed in 7 days.

Last edited by DooDooPoker; 05-08-2024 at 10:29 AM.
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05-08-2024 , 11:40 AM
Going B because this is the classic OOP stack a fish line in a 3b pot, and I don't think many regs use that turn size.
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05-08-2024 , 01:15 PM
A because villain's turn sizing results in both of us getting to the river wider, which will encourage them to overbluff.

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05-08-2024 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AskZandar
Going B because this is the classic OOP stack a fish line in a 3b pot, and I don't think many regs use that turn size.
I should of been more clear in the OP but I am going off reg data.


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Originally Posted by Franchise804
A because villain's turn sizing results in both of us getting to the river wider, which will encourage them to overbluff.

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TY for voting
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05-09-2024 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I should of been more clear in the OP but I am going off reg data.

Yeah, that should have been included in the OP. I voted B since half-pot stabs are bluffy.
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05-09-2024 , 07:15 AM
I do feel like divorcing this question entirely from board texture is tricky. On a dry runout I feel like A and B both tend to be bluffy, with the ramping up of aggression intended to elicit folds. On a draw completing runout they could be more indicative of an improving range. I'm still on team "half pot stabs are sus" though.
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05-09-2024 , 07:29 AM
B

The further they are from the BTN, the stronger their range is when they stab B50. It's interesting, makes a lot of sense.
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05-10-2024 , 07:02 AM
B for me too.

A is milky, C is GREED
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05-14-2024 , 01:37 PM
Results revealed tomorrow.
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05-15-2024 , 12:40 PM
Okay people were clued into this one. GJ

C30-B30-B MDA

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C30-B50-B MDA

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C30-B70-B MDA

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C30-B50-B has the weakest range at 37 weak!
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05-16-2024 , 12:22 AM
Why?
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05-16-2024 , 05:34 AM
This is exactly the reason why you fail at poker. You learn some irrelevant spots by heart which are so close that they have no statistical significant.But you have no feeling for all the poker in general. Probably you are a good coach because good players get some feeling for mass data from your sessions.

You are like the a very good formula 1 mechanic. The mechanic knows everything about the car, knows the best ways the go through every curve and is a specialist in all aerodynamics matters. And even that he knows all the things he is not close to a good formula 1 driver because the talent for driving the car is missing.

Last edited by Kendoo; 05-16-2024 at 05:41 AM.
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05-16-2024 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Kendoo
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Very interesting, thank you so much.
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05-16-2024 , 06:59 AM
I'm just the Robin Hood of the humble. I out the braggarts and wannabes and show them the right path.
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05-16-2024 , 08:58 AM
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05-16-2024 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Why?
This imo

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Originally Posted by Ceres
B for me too.

A is milky, C is GREED
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05-16-2024 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Kendoo
This is exactly the reason why you fail at poker. You learn some irrelevant spots by heart which are so close that they have no statistical significant.But you have no feeling for all the poker in general. Probably you are a good coach because good players get some feeling for mass data from your sessions.

You are like the a very good formula 1 mechanic. The mechanic knows everything about the car, knows the best ways the go through every curve and is a specialist in all aerodynamics matters. And even that he knows all the things he is not close to a good formula 1 driver because the talent for driving the car is missing.
You know someone is clueless when they start using analogies in poker
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05-16-2024 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
You know someone is clueless when they start using analogies in poker
Isn't that basically JT's analogy in The Mental Game of Poker?
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05-16-2024 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by swerbs22
Isn't that basically JT's analogy in The Mental Game of Poker?
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That's a great find, I have that book too.

I was more referring to the technical side of poker wrt to analogies but I'll add my opinion on guys like Jared Tendler/Elliot Roe. I have heard of people spending 5 figures to get mental game coaching from them and of course they give glowing reviews. My problem with the reviews is two-fold.

1. You have massive selection bias because the people paying these absurd prices think they need help and want it to work.

2. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, I think a lot their students experience sunken cost fallacy when talking about these 5 figure expenses. There's a reason why in academia psychology is often referred to as a soft science. A lot of the claims from these two are not backed by quantifiable data.
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05-16-2024 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
That's a great find, I have that book too.

I was more referring to the technical side of poker wrt to analogies but I'll add my opinion on guys like Jared Tendler/Elliot Roe. I have heard of people spending 5 figures to get mental game coaching from them and of course they give glowing reviews. My problem with the reviews is two-fold.

1. You have massive selection bias because the people paying these absurd prices think they need help and want it to work.

2. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, I think a lot their students experience sunken cost fallacy when talking about these 5 figure expenses. There's a reason why in academia psychology is often referred to as a soft science. A lot of the claims from these two are not backed by quantifiable data.
Have you ever had coaching from either of them?

Bro, you're a coach. Don't speak out against other coaches, especially if you have no experience with them.

Disclaimer: I consider Jared a friend, and he's an extremely intelligent, and stand up human. People paying for these sessions, whether it's for golf, poker, or general life stuff get great value for their money imho.
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05-16-2024 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Have you ever had coaching from either of them?

Bro, you're a coach. Don't speak out against other coaches, especially if you have no experience with them.

Disclaimer: I consider Jared a friend, and he's an extremely intelligent, and stand up human. People paying for these sessions, whether it's for golf, poker, or general life stuff get great value for their money imho.
I've read both of Jared's books and listened to Elliot Roe's Mindset course.

This is my opinion of their products.
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05-16-2024 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I've read both of Jared's books and listened to Elliot Roe's Mindset course.

This is my opinion of their products.
You crapped on their coaching, not their products.

You don't see how that's classless?
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05-17-2024 , 12:06 AM
I put mental coaches in the same bucket as motivational speakers
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05-17-2024 , 05:45 AM
Has to be some form of Stockholm syndrome going on in here. I truly don't know why anyone gives him the time of day anymore.
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05-17-2024 , 06:43 AM
Can't speak on mental coaches, but I believe my psychologist in whom I've spent thousands of $ has been a huge source of poker EV
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