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07-02-2022 , 02:34 PM
PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 101.8 BB
Hero (SB): 105.6 BB
BB: 294 BB
UTG: 100.8 BB
MP: 100 BB
CO: 255 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, UTG calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) 7 8 Q
Hero bets 8.2 BB, UTG calls 8.2 BB

Turn: (41.4 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero bets 19.8 BB, fold

Hero wins 39.6 BB

PREFLOP
Clear 3b and fold to 4b.

FLOP
Me and V have same amount of flushes. But I have better flushes and range advantage.

TURN
Now I bet polarized. 4s is perfect brick. AQs is at the top of my range. I usually bet 75%. But here I make it about half a pot to make him call his JJ, TT, 99 and still give him bad price for drawing to a flush. I don't know whether it's a valid argument. I should have probably bet 75% to make most value from KQs, KQo, QJs.
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07-02-2022 , 02:39 PM
Don't love the flop bet.
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07-02-2022 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 0NoobiePoker0
Don't love the flop bet.
Alright. Can you tell me your thoughts why?
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07-02-2022 , 03:17 PM
I'm no poker theorist but the bet I don't believe accomplishes much. You're not denying equity to anything by betting and you don't really want to bloat the pot OOP with a marginal holding either.
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07-04-2022 , 06:18 AM
Still, micro players have a tighter 3bet calling range from early positions than the same GTO Wizard offers.
Spoiler:
Pool

GTO Wizard

That's why I don't think we'll have a range advantage on this flop.

But in practice, opponents at the micros will not exploit us if we play liner poker on mono boards.
That's why your line with two small bets is fine.
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07-04-2022 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by slyless
Still, micro players have a tighter 3bet calling range from early positions than the same GTO Wizard offers.
Interesting. Is that the range that UTG calls 3b vs SB with preflop? How did you obtain it? I could get that range from a tracker but it is strongly biased, it's only hands that get to a showdown.

Micro players call 3b more than they should. In this case UTGvsSB, GTO is 18% call, 14% 4bet. And pool: 46% call, 10% 4bet.

How do we exploit that?

I guess SB should 3bet tighter, call 4bet tighter and 5bet shove tighter. Right?
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07-05-2022 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by kutawikucu
Interesting. Is that the range that UTG calls 3b vs SB with preflop? How did you obtain it? I could get that range from a tracker but it is strongly biased, it's only hands that get to a showdown.


This is a report created by Range Research for poker stars nl10 pool.
I used these parameters for the report:

MP1 means UTG for 6max games.

The report shows which hands opponents showed at showdown after they made 3bet to UTGvsSB-BB (Added BB for more sample).
The number below each hand in the matrix shows how many times the opponents have shown that hand at a showdown.

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Originally Posted by kutawikucu
Micro players call 3b more than they should. In this case UTGvsSB, GTO is 18% call, 14% 4bet. And pool: 46% call, 10% 4bet.

How do we exploit that?

I guess SB should 3bet tighter, call 4bet tighter and 5bet shove tighter. Right?
In general, yes, play carefully against 4bets and reduce 3bets a bit. Let's say 3bet 5.5-6% instead of 7%, w/o this part of the range:
Spoiler:
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07-05-2022 , 10:29 AM
TIL gto SB 3bets K5s v UTG
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