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09-01-2010 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by immadeadbird
omg i wrote this whole long wall of text in your other thread however a mod closed it before i posted ti and i lost it. **** anyway

your friend is 2 tight, he need to start stealing from the button, opening AT+ PP UTG. c bet more, when he opens he should c bet a good %. should 3b more to collect dead money.

i would read some guides. just to open up a little more.

he plays a Nit style. but he should be playing more of a Tag style. Tight aggressive.

the problem is he isnt collecting dead money and calling to much. isnt taking stabs at the pot.
When you say AT + pp utg, you mean low pps as well? He's only been raising TT and suited AQ and up utg.
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09-01-2010 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
He is so shell shocked from his original numbers that I think he might be scared to get even more money in pf. Maybe he can 3bet 2/3 pot ip with hands he'd call a raise with?
He's playing way too tight and then passive post flop which is a recipe for disaster at 10NL which is the first level that you really start seeing a lot of aggression post flop from the half-way decent players. It almost appears like its fit or fold post flop for him. His small winnings with AA suggest a lot of people are folding to his 3bets because of his rock image. When people suggest "more aggressive" you have to quantify that for him. It's easy to take that advice and then they take it too far and start being an aggro spewtard and say, "THAT DIDN'T WORK AND I LOST ALL MY MONEY".

It also appears that at showdown with his rockets he's losing more than his other big pairs, which says something is terribly wrong. Is he trying to slowplay them? That's a huge leak at these limits where value-betting is the way you crush it. He's also playing every single time with his medium pairs, and never 3 betting them like he should. Sometimes you should be folding them as well. does he use a hud? There's a lot to dissect from his stats, but I think overall it comes down to being more aggressive and maybe opening up a bit more at a slow and measured pace.
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09-01-2010 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
He gets pwnd so many times when he gets aggressive on flop. He never knows where he is with AK when an A or a K drop and the other guy check raises or bets big, and after cbets with no flop connection he gives up pretty easily.
actually i play the same. however doesnt mean when you get c/r that your original raise was the wrong play.

what to do after you are c/r is villain dependent however, he should really just keep stabbing the pot. collecting dead money, iso limpers w/ good hands. and if he has a draw w/ initiative he should bet it.

he is over all not aggressive as he should be.
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09-01-2010 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
When you say AT + pp utg, you mean low pps as well? He's only been raising TT and suited AQ and up utg.
yea its 6 max yo. he can raise AT+ PP. ( the 2s-7s are debatable. however, i would still raise them ) just fold to 3b from regs. and still be pretty profitable.

i think his over all problem is he isnt aggressive as he should be.
he could opt to play FR if he wanted to. however i think 6 max is better
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09-01-2010 , 06:02 PM
I just noticed also his 3bet is .9%. That is lol low. I mean, AA,KK is already more than 1%. Doesn't seem like he 3bets AK like ever that says as well. I imagine other players that are noticing his style at all, make him super easy to play against hence why he isn't getting paid off when he actually does have something. It kind of sucks the days of the total droolers even at 10nl are gone, they are obviously still around, just not anywhere near in the number they once were.
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09-01-2010 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by paletokio
Quick question for a quick accurate answer

How good or bad is BB/100= 2.5 for 250K hands??? Thx

Im refering to BIG BETS and well, its all the way from 2NL to 10NL from $14 to $420..about ~300 days. 6handed 90%
Anybody?
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09-01-2010 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by paletokio
Anybody?
you are the best player of all time... destined to crush the nosebleeds
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09-01-2010 , 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by paletokio
Im refering to BIG BETS and well, its all the way from 2NL to 10NL from $14 to $420..about ~300 days. 6handed 90%
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Originally Posted by subs
you are the best player of all time... destined to crush the nosebleeds
Im looking for a more accurate/objective/critica answer.
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09-01-2010 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream
When you say AT + pp utg, you mean low pps as well? He's only been raising TT and suited AQ and up utg.
Any PP unless you are getting 3betted a tons(not that usual). You can pick up pot on flop with cbet often enough and when you hit a set with say 22 that's REALLY disguised and if opponent has a hand it's lot easier to get money in from raised pot than limped.

And of course cbet often takes down pot anyway picking up dead money.

PP=raise. Provided there's not shortstacks you should be worrying about(loose ones in particular or if they happen to be on blinds). Then you might want to fold as there's not that much money left in case you hit set and if they are loose they are calling a ton anyway.
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09-01-2010 , 11:51 PM
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Originally Posted by paletokio
Anybody?
5bb/100...Very low for NL2, somewhat low at NL5 I think and likely tad smallish on NL10. 20bb/100 people say it's impossible. 10-15bb/100 is probably realm of those who really crush it. 5-10bb/100 would be decent winrate probably...

Can't be more accurate on nl10 due to not having own experience there(with tracker involved). Only own experience at nl2(30bb/100) and nl5(9bb/100 ATM :-/).
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09-02-2010 , 02:23 AM
I am looking to do a full stats/database review with someone, via Skype or something like that, so we can find leaks in each others games. Is anyone up to that?
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09-02-2010 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by tneva82
Any PP unless you are getting 3betted a tons(not that usual). You can pick up pot on flop with cbet often enough and when you hit a set with say 22 that's REALLY disguised and if opponent has a hand it's lot easier to get money in from raised pot than limped.

And of course cbet often takes down pot anyway picking up dead money.

PP=raise. Provided there's not shortstacks you should be worrying about(loose ones in particular or if they happen to be on blinds). Then you might want to fold as there's not that much money left in case you hit set and if they are loose they are calling a ton anyway.
When he opens small pp and is 3bet, is a call oop ok for setmining with it? Say he raises .35, and guy 3bets $1.00, both have 100bbs to start the hand.

Also for this limit, $10nl, is there an optimal cbet? He's been doing either 60% or 70% pot
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09-02-2010 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream
When he opens small pp and is 3bet, is a call oop ok for setmining with it? Say he raises .35, and guy 3bets $1.00, both have 100bbs to start the hand.

Also for this limit, $10nl, is there an optimal cbet? He's been doing either 60% or 70% pot
Generally no. Especially out of position. 100bb deep you need pretty good reads to setmine vs 3bets. Maybe if you know he's NIT and will stack off with overpair every time you might consider calling 3bet in position with setmining goal. Or if he has horrible post-flop tells like check/fold missed AK everytime and only bets with made hand. But in that case you aren't calling just to set mine but to see whether he cbets or not and if not bet and see him fold. Sorta preflop float with added bonus that sometimes you hit set and stack him off when he cbets.

That's why I added disclaimer "unless you are getting 3betted a tons". Small PP's are hard to play post flop for pair value and you don't have setmining odds(Especially if you are 3betted tons which indicates they are doing it light=even if you hit a set you aren't likely to stack them off). In that case just fold smallest pairs and avoid the trouble.

For cbet I do 50% and then add to that based on opponents, board texture & somewhat based on what I have.
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09-02-2010 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tneva82
5bb/100...Very low for NL2, somewhat low at NL5 I think and likely tad smallish on NL10. 20bb/100 people say it's impossible. 10-15bb/100 is probably realm of those who really crush it. 5-10bb/100 would be decent winrate probably...

Can't be more accurate on nl10 due to not having own experience there(with tracker involved). Only own experience at nl2(30bb/100) and nl5(9bb/100 ATM :-/).
When u say bb you refer to big blinds instead of BigBets right? tyvm
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09-02-2010 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by paletokio
When u say bb you refer to big blinds instead of BigBets right? tyvm
Yeah. bb=big blinds, BB=big bets.
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09-02-2010 , 06:53 PM
Hey guys, how do I post my stats from PT3? I cant figure out how to get a pic and link up?
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09-02-2010 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by dcole
Hey guys, how do I post my stats from PT3? I cant figure out how to get a pic and link up?
Most of the times I think people use the print screen option or export the stats as an image (sometimes it exports it only as an csv file so its better the printscreen IMO)
Then you can go to http://imageshack.us/ and for every pic you upload it gives you an URL for it, then just copy the link to the image button. Hope it helped
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09-02-2010 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by paletokio
Im looking for a more accurate/objective/critica answer.
That means you win a buyin every 2k hands or so. It's a good steady winrate and you should be proud of it.

But, it can definitely be way higher at the micros, so keep pushing to get better
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09-03-2010 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by paletokio
Most of the times I think people use the print screen option or export the stats as an image (sometimes it exports it only as an csv file so its better the printscreen IMO)
Then you can go to http://imageshack.us/ and for every pic you upload it gives you an URL for it, then just copy the link to the image button. Hope it helped
Thank you. In PT3, once you expand the window where the stats and graph are, it has an export button.
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09-03-2010 , 05:24 AM
What in the hell am I doing wrong??? The things that I suspect are that I should probably have a smaller gap between my VPIP and PFR, and that I should probably fold more from the BB. You guys spot anything?

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09-03-2010 , 05:47 AM
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What in the hell am I doing wrong??? The things that I suspect are that I should probably have a smaller gap between my VPIP and PFR, and that I should probably fold more from the BB. You guys spot anything?
Correct on both account. You are calling too much pf and too much from BB. Position and aggression. Those are the keys. You don't have to raise/3bet everything but you don't want to keep calling tons as well. And blinds are tough place to play. Less you can play them the better.

Don't see big leaks elsewhere so you are probably just leaking by calling too much with marginal hands. Especially OOP. Concentrate on playing marginal hands from position and you should do fine.
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09-03-2010 , 11:09 AM
While at it, can you find any leaks on my game?
When comparing I guess I have a low pfr, but I think thats because of the fact people call too much on micro limits and my actions EV go up once I see a flop..please help.
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09-03-2010 , 06:24 PM
I think my post flop play is really suffering when I'm 4+ tabling. Any one see any obv leaks? Thanks for any advice.stats
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09-03-2010 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by whereswallaceat
I think my post flop play is really suffering when I'm 4+ tabling. Any one see any obv leaks? Thanks for any advice.stats
Playing 2 tables is the best possible way to learn how to be good at poker, how to improve decision making, reads, note taking etc.

Once you are as good at that as you need to be(that will never happen but you can find a balance) then you add more tables and see what you are comfortable with.

I recently moved to 50NL and immediately had an 11 BI downswing. I moved down and got coaching before moving back up. My coach insisted I play 2 tables, ever since then, Im beating 50NL for around 8BB/100. Obviously its a small sample as 2 tabling doesnt really get volume in, but I know for sure Im a better player now than I ever was 6 tabling 25NL. Even though I have a very similar win rate. Im improving as a player and thats whats more important right now rather than grind on clicking buttons.
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09-04-2010 , 12:20 AM
Getting close to 6k hands, not a lot but feel I can use a few tips on my red line if its possible at this level. Red line is relatively high, I think I'm playing decent poker and trying to read opponents at this level as best as possible. I think I might be losing some value though on my decent hands. Not betting to hard with big hands basically value towning every street if I hit my hand and I opened it up pre flop... standard play I believe.. anyway

Stats

VPIP - 27.7
PFR - 22.7
3bet% - 7.5
4bet Range - 2.5
Flop Cbet - 75.6%
Agg% - 42.3
WTSD% - 23.7
W$SD% - 54.4

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