trying to control your redline is tough to master. a negative redline though is often to do your style. as you are playing a lag game, i.e. 35% of hands, it can often be more profitable to have a negative redline, i.e. you see so many flops, but for every $1 you lose in non-showdown winnings you make $1.20 from your showdown winnings. lose small by folding on flop/turn, win bigger by seeing a showdown. that should be the way a LAG's game works. Though your redline does seem quite negative.

You might be loose preflop, opening a wide range, but maybe you're giving up pots too easy on flops. have a search for info on flop and turn play.

ya 8 tabling your stats will be tighter obviously. over the next 5k hands, as a mini sample (which an 8 tabler will do no problem ) REALLY reign in your sb range, KTo goes in the muck, 78suited gets folded. play pairs and AT+, KJs+.

Check the stats after 5k hands and see how your winnings/losses from sb go.

the argument for playing hands like KJs, 9Ts is that they are too bavuable to muck preflop. But this leads inevitably to people over valuing them and put good money in after bad. And then, do you c-bet a missed flop? This is where you start leaking cash.

been playing for a while now and only recently got PT. i 6 table.
just curious as to how normal these stats are? (about 8k hands from last week)





any ideas ? ive been told im too tight and i win too much from the SB.

Thanks for your input DIrTystack. I enjoy reading your posts.

Keep up the good work!

I usually play 4-5 tables. I believe I've tightened up because I've been mostly finding tables full of players with stats like 40/5 and I feel like I can't get anywhere against these guys unless I'm hitting cards... Maybe I'm just psyching myself out.

These are my "run good" stats from 5NL and 4NL on two separate sites:

Thanks for the feedback Dirty, really appreciate it. I am now in the process of tightening up the range from the SB and, in general, from EP. I think I leak as sometimes I will try to resteal 3 bet tight regs quite light from the blinds when their betting pattern tells me they might be stealing themselves.

In terms of missed flops and whether I cBet them, all I can say is that I usually go by ear. If the flop is fairly dry and uncoordinated I will cBet almost anything. If I, on the other hand, raise pf 88 from the button and get a caller from the BB and the flop comes down AQT I will sometimes checkfold.

To answer your question from a more general point of view though, I usually much (or 3bet) KJo, 78s and below. I think the 3bet might be causing my variance, especially as some regs might have picked up on this habit of mine, I will just have to watch out and tighten up I suppose.

Fingers crossed

Any other feedback from anyone of course very much appreciated! Thanks!

generally this is all positive. obviously its from your winning streak. do session reviews, make a note of your biggest winning hands, what did you do right, make a note of your biggest losing hands, what did you do wrong? etc.

I have a paper pad and pen beside me when i play, writing down stuff that bothers me during my play.. my latest note is "STOP BLUFFING NITS" lol... its handy, because next time i fire up the tables, i'll read over my notes from past few sessions and hopefully not bluff nits.

Anything?

I don't play heads up so cant tell you if that is standard or not.

Your showdown winnings need to be improved, hand reading skills and not overvaluing losing hands/undervaluing winning hands. i know this sounds obvious. I think though you will find as you play your showdowns more cautiously your non-showdown winnings will suffer. It is just a symptom of your play.

if youhave some time on your hands read http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...=0#Post8629256 or print it out and read on the bus or something.

thanks for the help. so should i not worry about it at all as long as im winning?

Thank you SO much! Very good advice I think.

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figure out your opponent tho. while i do call 3 bets on the button with hands like AK, KK, QQ, KQ (obviously they are very good hands), i also like to call 3 bets when im on the button with small suited connectors or 1 gappers for exactly the same reason. i know most people will 3 bet with those sort of hands so if i hit my suited connector ill stack them especially playing in position makes those suited connector hands very powerful

i wouldnt completely ignore it. Half the battle is being aware that alot of $ goes out of your account that direction, so you might spot one or two hands where you dont call the double barrel etc etc and might make the difference of 0.2bb/100 or something as simple as that.

Hello everybody!

Im new at this forum (havent actually writing on any forums yet)..

Im not a beginner in poker, but im a beginner on PT3 and all the stats there!
I usually play sit go (6-13$), enjoy heads up, playing sometimes tourneys, and rarely playes cashgame (only heads up from time to time)! You can look at my sit go stats on pokerprolabs.com or sharkscope... I know i can make better results but my discipline must be improved, and i dont think its that bad after all :P

Im really interested in cashgames, but not so good at it (im a fast learner), im more into sit gos. As you all probably know sitgo and cashgame are like 2 different games..
My main goal is to improve my cashgame play, cause i heard and believe its more profit there.. so it would be great if someone helped me and shows me some directions.

I'll post my pokertracker data after a couple of thousands hands, and it would be very helpful if someone who is more familiar into cashgames and PT3, to say whats my weaknesses are and that stuff.. and explaining what the stats are (if you dont want to explain, please show me where to learn)

Thanks in advance

welcome to the forum. Read the strategy posts at the top of the forum. post your stats after a min 10k hands.

Thanks mate, i will

I would realy appreciate som feedback on these stats. I've been playing for years and had some good streaks and som lucky tournaments. But I can't get a good grip on my game anymore. Started over at NL10 a couple of months ago but couldn't find time to improve. But know I realy would like to come back to the midstake games again. Please help me get back on my feets.

can you post your stats for "River Call Efficiency" and view by position and also, in HEM, in reports, find the "Hands at showdown (detailed)".

Your basic stats (21/17 etc etc) are reasonably consistent with that of a player beating micros for 3-4bb/100, so the problem is on flop/turn/river play i would imagine.

Recently, I had a look at "Hands at showdown (detailed)" before one of my sessions and was so tilted by what I saw I took the afternoon off. With "high card" or "high card on a paired board" i had lost SO MUCH MONEY. This is where my poker ego gets involved and in a raised pot with AQ, on a 723,3,6 board, facing a river bet, i think "no way he has hit that" and i call... to be shocked to see 78suited or something. Since you're losing 6bb/100 your game will have ALOT of leaks, this is one of my own i identified recently.

Also, review what starting hands (specifically, or broadly) are costing you most money. I found I was losing/overvaluing with AJ, KJ, etc and bleeding chips. So i play these more cautiously these days.

I started playing cash games and moved up to 10NL from 5NL. I really need help because my redline has fallen off a cliff. It was basically flat at 5NL but has taken a vertical dive since I started at 10NL. What am I doing wrong? Am I being too weak-tight?

Also, is there a way to filter/generate a report of all the hands that don't go to showdown in PT3? Thanks.

Thanks mate ... ill give that a read..

Mitch.

zman, you have to, HAVE TO, win more from the button. My guess is you're giving up too many pots uncontested. i.e. your vpip/prf on the button looks fine, but then your winrate is poor - like you are stealing from the button and then giving up when you miss. This is a common leak if you play a crazy amount of tables as the more tables you play the less "poker" you play, and you're just nitting ABC poker, and usually badly at this level. Take some more chances on the button, if someone cbets into you, and you've missed, reraise him on dry boards etc. dont just hand him the pot.

Help.

Hi all, I've been playing 10NL for a while now with numerous minor sessions. I ran so well for the first few K hands but in the past 3 weeks I've been having the worst downswing I've ever had and cant seem to win at 10NL anymore. Its really beating on my confidence and I feel like giving up. I thought a good read on the forums about downswings would help but I'm still losing practically every sessions on a daily basis. I don't have PT but here is a link to my PTR. I'd appreciate it if you could take a look and recommended some advice by reviewing the limited stats that PTR offers. Thanks alot guys.

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you seem to be quite an aggressive player. (agg factor 3.8 or higher in all positions). but losing in position at showdown. I instantly think of "uncontrolled aggression". Don't c-bet for the sake of c-betting. Don't 3bet for the sake of 3-betting. Have a reason for doing it. Have a plan for the hand. Your thought process shouldn't be "This guy folds to 3bets 87% so I'm going to 3bet in in the sb", it should be "This guy folds to 3bets 87% of the time, so I'm going to 3bet in the sb, but will fold to a 4bet, and if he flats me I will only c-bet on a non-broadway board."

from cut off (22/21) button (23/21) suggests you dont have a call button. You are either raising or folding. This sounds good and makes for a very macho statement. But if you are on the button with A3suited and co bets 3bb, sometimes, not always, but sometimes there is a merit to peeling cheap flop in position. Vary it up. be unpredictable.

PTR stats are poor at best. Can you comment on your style of play? What areas are you finding tough?