Some of your stats are a bit weird. You're clearly on the nitty side, but 19/16/10 is fine overall for anon fast-fold. The weirdness is that your RFI numbers are so low.
You're apparently happy to 3-bet 12% of the time on the BTN, but you're only opening 17.7% on the BTN if it's folded to you. WTF?
You could be opening 40%+ on the button (and 24% in CO), but you're opening more or less the same 14-18% in every position UTG to SB.
The nitty ranges and high 3-bet% has led to a high c-bet number, which makes sense (your ranges are strong and you're often playing as the 3-bettor), but 82% c-bet is still a bit high. It seems you're playing very fit-or-fold post-flop (high AF), and probably barreling too often with hands that should be pot-controlling and check-calling. Shockingly, for a nitty player, you're not showing down the best hand the majority of the time. (W$SD of 48%). I can only assume you're playing quite robotically and just do things like 3-bet AK and then triple barrel in spots where you often lose your customer when you're ahead, but lose some big pots when villain has something better.

It's kind of peculiar that you have a decent winrate, given that your stats and playing style seem quite exploitable. (I'm guessing you almost always fold if you check the flop or turn, for example). I suppose it being anonymous helps a lot. If you were opening on the BTN and I knew who you were, I wouldn't give you much action, as your range is so strong.

If you can find your turn and river c-bet numbers, and also the percentages you have for check-fold, check-call, and check-raise on the flop, what's really going on might be more apparent.

For now, I wouldn't want to change much while your winrate is great, but I'm kind of stunned you can win when you hardly ever steal light, and your post-flop betting ranges are going to be so value-heavy. I'd be very surprised if that winrate in the SB is sustainable too. You've run above EV in this sample for that position, so I can only assume you won a couple of big coolers. You need to do a lot more stealing (and defending the BB) in the long run, as folding in the blinds is gonna cost you a lot.

Hi all,

I posted this on the beginners forum as well - didn't realise this thread also existed.

To re-iterate from that post - I am a long time losing 2nlz player trying to work on my game.

I have re-started this month in hopes of trying to improve - here are my stats for the month - exclusively on 2nl zoom.

Hi sefwow,

I've gotta be honest and say I can't spot anything obviously bad/wrong with your pre-flop numbers. Everything looks pretty standard.
Are you losing in this (small) sample? What does your graph look like with the SD and non-SD and EV lines on it?

P.S. On that report, replace the "call PF 3bet" stat with "2bet and call 3-bet" stat and/or the "2b and fold to 3-bet" stat. "Fold to c-bet" and "river call effiency" stats are worth adding too.

Hi Arty - thanks for the reply. Wasn't sure exactly where to find those stats but I believe its one of these?



And yes I am losing in this sample, or about break even I suppose.



Cheers

This may also help:

Thank you for the insight arty.

I agree that I could work on being less nitty in better positions. I typically try to go off a chart for each position but become wary of playing the bottom end of the range in later positions since I wouldn't be as comfortable playing postflop if I'm called or 3bet by the blinds.

I do like to c-bet a large percentage of the time. I typically do this light even with air (1/3 pot or less), which induces a lot of folds at this stakes. If I'm called on both flop and turn c-bets, i typically shut down on the river as anyone with anything as low as a pair will call all the way down. I believe this c-betting too agressively is why I may see a lot of losing showdowns and will work on c-betting with more thought behind the situations.

My winrate is somewhat inflated due to a good run towards the end. I'd hope to be able to adjust in order to play with solid strategy at higher stakes and non-anonymous, so I don't think my current style would work.

My turn c-bet rate is 54.5% & river 55%
Check-fold flop: 10%
Check-call flop: 3%
Check-raise: 0.5%

What range would you recommend defending SB/BB vs CO/BUT?

Thanks again!

Isn't there a stat that shows the correct number for how often you fold to 3-bets after raising? It's a pretty basic HUD stat, but for some reason PT doesn't seem to include it in the default positional report, and lists some nonsense stuff like "call PF 3-bet" (which includes cold-calls of 3-bets, and isn't useful at all). /rant

Your 'fold to c-bet' is fine (maybe a couple of percentage points too high) and river call efficiency is also fine. At least it confirms you're not making losing calls on the river. (Which is a common leak that doesn't show up at all in pre-flop stats).

You've run a bit below EV in this sample. Hopefully your luck will improve soon.

I think you'll do fine if you just expand your BTN opening range to begin with. Even if you just made it 30%, you'll still flop enough equity to make some of those small c-bets successfully.
Your turn and river c-bet numbers are fine. A little bit high on the river, actually, so you might be missing a few spots where checking to induce a bluff has a higher EV than betting yourself.

Those numbers for check-fold/call/raise look very wrong, but it's probably something to do with the way your tracker adds everything up. I'm sure you're actually folding about 50% of the time after checking, like most people. And even if you only check-raised top set, the last number would be about 2%.

If you use a replayer that shows the HUD, don't you see the correct numbers for those stats on a pop-up? (If you hover the cursor over the 'flop c-bet' stat, for example).
Something like this gives the percentages for what you do as the PFR if you check the flop:


Another pop-up could supply the numbers for how you react to c-bets as the pre-flop caller. My inclination is that you might be over-folding after you check the flop, because you had a very high AF number, which usually indicates the buttons you press the most are BET and FOLD, and hardly ever CHECK and CALL.

As for defending in the blinds vs late position, it's imperative that you understand that the SB is a completely different spot to the BB. In the SB, you should mostly (but not always) 3-bet if you want to play your hand.
You can 3-bet about 15% in SB vs BTN, and 12% vs CO, although you might want to flat 77-55 occasionally, especially if the open was small.
In the BB, you should do much more flatting and a bit less 3-betting, as you can close the action by calling.
In BB vs CO, I'd 3-bet something like TT+, AJ+, a few random Axs, KQs, QJs, and flat 99-22, A9o+, KJo+, QJo, K7s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+ and 54s+.
In BB v BTN you can move 99/88, JTs+ and more Axs into the 3-bet range from above, and add KTo, JTo and a handful of suited gappers (like 97s, 86s) to the calling range. If button opens for a minraise, then you can defend any ace and almost anything suited.

I think you're already 3-betting a decent amount in the SB. But you could call with a few more hands in the BB when facing a steal.

First off great thread - been a lurking a while and trying to read through this thread and some of the others in this section. This really is a goldmine of information.

I was a bit wary of posting my own stats but instead of me going through the thread trying to pick out things on my own it would no doubt help if someone could have a look and point out likely leaks.

https://imgur.com/a/csFqlgj

This is at 2nl zoom since last month. 13.3k hands in total - the first 4k frankly were a disaster. I was stacking off with 99 pre flop or TPTK on the river and the like and really was paying no attention to villains. Since then I have tightened up more pre-flop, albeit still do probably steal a little too wide from the CO/button. My best session recently I was running 23/18/5 over 1k hands. Button was 27/23 in that session. Going to play at least 20k hands before giving 5nl zoom another shot.

@Skeenobeener Your stats look reasonable, especially if you were a bit out of line at the start and have tightened up since then.
For 2NLz, you might do even better with a VPIP of <23. You might need to reduce your cold-calling on the button for instance (12% is a bit high) unless you're particularly skilled at playing post-flop (or binking sets; the smallest pairs can be folded in MP-SB).
Your c-bet frequencies are on the high side, especially UTG and MP where you'll be OOP quite often, but it's not a massive problem with your apparently tight UTG/MP ranges. At some point (especially when you move up), you'll have to learn how to check-call and check-raise OOP as the PFR, but you probably need to do another 10k hands with your current strat to see what results you get before you radically change anything. (I note that your turn c-bet is a fair bit lower than flop c-bet. A more "balanced" style would be to c-bet flop about 60% and then barrel 50%).
It's good to see you got into profit at the end of this sample though. Keep up the good work!

Really appreciate that advice Arty thanks!

Yeah I've definitely been spewing a lot with some of the c-bets with total air. Albeit it is noticeable how tight everyone is from the blinds. I tend now just shut down if anyone plays back (unless I do have something) rather than like the first 5k hands try and bluff at these levels. Will look at becoming more balanced with the flop/turn c-bets. I think it has improved a bit but will post again circa 20k hands.

I have been gone from the tables for a while after grinding way too hard before, my life went through a sudden change of path from being just grinding with no purpose in life to now going to school, having a wonderfurl girlfriend and a part time job to cover expenses. Now that I have sorted my **** together I feel for adding poker back as a secondary income, due to my deep passion for it and the rewards I can reap from it. I just wanted to post my MTT stats from the small sample I have played since coming back to the virtual felt, and see if there is anything obvious for me to work on since I am rusty after half a year barely thinking/playing poker.


The stats:

https://ibb.co/XxF4W21

https://ibb.co/zspZf91

https://ibb.co/YPk46KB

Edit: These are for tournaments

Thanks for any answers!

Hi guys,

great thread! I appreciate the help offered here!

I just started playing poker again. im a former mtt and sng player, but now i wanted to focus on 6max cashgame.

After plugging some serious leaks, at least my sd winnings are positive and nonsd negative..

https://imgur.com/btFuK4X

The stats i uploaded are from NL5 fast olny and started after getting the leaks mentioned fixed. I feel insecure playing from SB, not 3betting enough i think, wich results in flatting way too much. Also my postflop play feels kinda off.

I would love to hear any opinions on my stats! If you need any more information, please ask.

Thanks in advance!

edit: forgot to mention the obvious: loosing money in the BTN is worrying me as well..

Hey folks,

I've been playing for quite a while now casually, mostly Zoom because it's convinient when you have limited time to play, and never was able to book a steady winrate. I think my biggest leak is being a calling station...because "they're always bluffing" And my bigblind play is suboptimal also.

Would appreciate some feedback on my sample.
Thanks in advance!

There's another forum for MTT analysis. This thread is for 6-max cash. Sorry!

That's completely standard. Most winning players have a negative redline, especially in the micros.
The first things that jump out are that you are very tight in EP/MP, but very loose on the button. I think you might be stealing with a bit too much garbage. It would be nice to see your UO PFR numbers (aka RFI) for each position.
Pokertracker's default stats are pretty stupid. Get rid of that nonsense one for "Call Pre-flop 3-bet", and find "2-bet pre and fold to 3-bet" (i.e. what everyone uses to mean "fold to 3-bet") instead.
Your c-bet frequencies are a bit out of whack (higher UTG than BTN), but I suppose this is because your pre-flop ranges are unbalanced. If you opened something like 15% UTG, then your c-bet frequency there should be <40%, as you shouldn't be c-betting much when you're OOP.
I think you're probably barreling too much (high aggression) and that means you're missing some value that can be gained by inducing bluffs. Indeed, your river call efficiency numbers seem to indicate that you're bloating the pot OOP on flop and turn with one pair and then are check-calling and losing. You'd do better if you checked a few more flops and turns to keep villain's range wider so that he has more bluffs.
Most of your numbers aren't too terrible, but I think you need to fix your opening ranges, because all the other stats follow from those. If you play too tight UTG, but too loose on the BTN, you're bound to get some strangeness in the results.

Looking for a checkup over my last ~year of play.

Ignition Zone - Anonymous fast fold tables.



Really interested in WTSD stats, AF, and Call Turn x/r. Thanks!

Most of your stats look pretty good. I could be wrong, but I think you might be playing a little too wide on the button, both in terms of cold-calling pre and attempting to steal. If you can run a filter for "cold call" and see if you're winning with the majority of your range (on a heat map, for example) that could show up if there is a group of hands that aren't performing well as cold-calls. (Small pairs and suited connectors are often problematic).
Do you have a number for "fold to 3-bet" on the button? (Specifically for when you've opened. I think PT calls it "2bet pre and fold to 3b" or something like that). Your BTN opening range is quite wide at 49%, but I'm not sure if you're folding 'too often', or calling 3-bets with too wide a range, but BTN winrates are usually a little bit better than yours.
I don't think you're being too much of a station. Your river call efficiency is fine, for example.
You've definitely got issues in the BB, but this could just be variance, as most of your stats for that position seem fine. That said, losing more than 50bb/100 in that seat is a little worrying. You should actually have a higher "fold to c-bet" in the BB than MP-BTN, unless you're playing a lot of pots when you're in position vs the SB. I think it should average out at about 50% in the BB, so you might be getting value-towned somewhat, so you need to make more disciplined folds ASAP with weak hands OOP, if you're not check-raising them. Fixing your BB losses would turn your overall winrate into a positive one, I think.
Post-flop, you seem a bit more aggro than an average reg (with fairly high turn and river c-bet numbers) but it seems to be working reasonably well. As I've said to other people in this thread, however, you probably want to put more check-calls into your strategy when you're OOP as the PFR, as your c-bet frequency UTG shouldn't really be over 50%. (Top players like RedBaron and Linus only c-bet OOP about 35% of the time). There's plenty of money to be made by checking to induce bluffs, rather than just barreling off with TP and hoping villain calls down.
There's nothing really terrible in your numbers though. You just need to tweak a few things. It's mainly the BB position that you need to work on. Just remember that your range there when you call pre is very weak, but you get good pot odds pre, which means you don't need to win very often to break even. This means you can check-fold to c-bets in that position more often than elsewhere.

All your regular stats look very solid, and are basically what I'd describe as "optimal".
Overall WTSD of 30% is good, if you know what you're doing, and I think you do.
I haven't looked at other people's esoteric WTSD numbers so I'm not sure what's "standard", but for WTSD in 3-bet pots, your number seems a little high. I have a very high WTSD number overall, and maybe I'm too nitty post-flop as a caller of 3-bets, but I've only got 28.5% for WTSD in 3BPs as a caller.
How are your losses when you call 3-bets? I'm assuming your lossrate is no worse than 2.5bb per hand when you call a 3-bet.
The number for WTSD when you call a PFR of 26.4 is fine. (Mine is 28.3%, but I'm more passive and stationy than most). You could probably still win with a slightly higher number than 26%. (Check out your river call efficiency numbers to see if there is more scope for bluffcatching).
WTSD when you skipped c-betting seems reasonable at 36%. Mine is a fair bit higher, but I c-bet less than 50% and I don't value-bet thinly on the river.
WTSD as PFR looks ideal at 33%. WTSD as 3-bettor looks very good too.

AF is perfect. I think correctly balanced play leads to an AF of 2.0 and Agg of about 33%, so you're bang on with regard to post-flop aggression.

When I first looked at your stats, the only one that looked crazy was the "Call turn x-raise", as we all know that turn check-raises are generally quite nutted. But then I pulled up my own stat and it was over 55% (!)
I think it's probably the case than I'm calling turn x-raises too often, but your number is close to optimal. You're certainly not getting exploited, as I'm sure your betting range is solid. That said, if you can run a filter to find the hands where you called a turn check-raise, you can confirm if you're winning. (I'm surprised to find out that I've got a decent winrate with that action sequence, on the BTN and in the BB in particular, but my sample is very small).
Overall, all your numbers look hunky dory. Nice work!

@ArtyMcFly
First of all, thank you very much for the check up!

As you pointed out I tend to get sticky with trashy hands after I called a steal in the BB vs BTN. Gotta fix that ASAP.
And I'll reduce my steal attempts from the BTN because I often end up failing to barrel Villain of his hand.


My Fold to 3bet after RFI on the button is 69%

Playing 3bet pots, especially OOP, is another spot I'll have to improve.

Right, that (high number) is probably just due to you opening a little bit too wide, so you can't defend particularly well vs aggro 3-bettors. If you reduce your opening frequency slightly (down to about 45%), your fold to 3-bet will naturally drop a little. At the moment, an observant reg will exploit your stats.

Fixing your BB play is more important though, I think. GL!

Hello all,

Wondering about my stats while playing NL5 and a bit of NL10 on ACR. Let me know if there is anything I can do to improve. Also, is there a simple way to just post my stats directly from drivehud?? Thanks!

Note that I played the 1600 hands of NL10 first, and then adjusted my play pretty significantly while dropping down to NL5

@Hero's Journey. VPIP, PFR and 3-bet look good. Your AF is crazy high at 4.6, and you have a correspondingly low WTSD (22.4%). While the "fit or fold" strat that I believe you're playing can work OK at 2NL/5NL, it's not really a style that works higher up. You can beat limpy fish by c-betting at a high frequency (and making them fold), but against stickier/bluffier players, you need a bit more finesse, which means doing more checking on every street, such that you induce more bluffs and see more showdowns.
You've only got a tiny sample, so I wouldn't read too much into the numbers just yet, but your WWSF is low (41%), which is odd for someone with a high AF. Is your turn c-bet number high or low? I can't tell from these numbers if you're being one-and-done a lot, or firing twice and then giving up.
You probably need to be less aggro with top pair/middle pair so that you can win at showdown more too (53.8% W$SD is quite low for micros too).
The nitbots on ACR/WPN are pretty tough to beat, so you might want to talk to someone else that wins there to see what kind of stats they have.

Thank you for the reply. Sounds like you are onto something... To answer your questions, my turn c-bet % is LOW and you could probably describe me as the "one and done" type player right now. Many regs call my PFR and I have seen them making these calls with a very wide range, like they will defend their blind with Ax, 56o, K9o, really terrible hands. They will flat the button wide and call the flop with most of their range in position. could they be actively taking advantage of my "one and done?"

So basically, get to showdown more with top and mid pair... Any pair really... Play a similar preflop game, but less aggro post flop...

Should I bet more on the turn in general, or more as a bluff/semi bluff (while checking back those value hands.)

I'm not worried a lot about my preflop game as I feel it is very solid, post flop I feel like the regs at even NL5 have my number. I will post stats again when I have more hands. Any additional feedback/comments would be much appreciated.

The 'one-and-done' thing explains the stats pretty well. You bet flop, check back turn and then fold river. It's basically "weak tight" and while it would beat 5NL in 2010, it won't work now.
You should probably try to focus your c-betting strat more on quality instead of quantity. e.g. If you just c-bet the high equity hands (good top pairs+) and good draws (not air), then you'll be able to barrel at a higher frequency. Delayed c-bets (with weaker top pairs, and hands that pick up a draw on the turn) also tend to have a higher success rate than flop c-bets. You have to learn to barrel at some point, but cutting your flop c-bet number to about 50% automatically makes it much easier to play the turn correctly, since a good flop strategy leads on to a simple turn strat (you just keep betting your high equity hands).
It's really easy to exploit a one-and-done player. You just float the flop and then steal the pot when he checks the turn. Don't let villains do that. Bet the flop with a stronger and more balanced range, such that you can continue at a decent frequency, instead of putting money in the pot and then giving up.