You're positionally unaware. You play the same handrange from all the seats. Play alot tighter UTG and looser on the button. Also play much tighter out of the blinds. In the blinds it's often best to 3bet or fold. You also call 3bets way too much and your went to showdown is very high, indicating stationy tendencies. Fold when you know you're beat on the river, and do post-session reviews of all the hands that went to showdown and analyze them. See if you could have gotten away from the hand, played it fine or even could have gotten some more value.

I don't know how to upload the graph so it ruins the intention here but I've just been looking at PokerEV

Filters are

Raised pre flop

Flop hand= high cards, no flush draw, no straight, so completely missed the flop.

Sample hand size is 130,000 hands, now with the filter at bet on flop, ie c-bet, I take it down quite a few times and only lose a small amount...

But when I don't include the 'bet the flop', I am -$799...this is on 1,800 occasions and would be times I've check folded the flop or been donked into and folded.

This is NL10, Nl25 and Nl50 by the way for the sample.

Now my question is, are we better folding completely missed hands to donk bets are should we compete for them with a raise? I know it is player dependent but it seems a pretty huge leak to have when being the raiser and then losing all the $$$ on missed boards-

As the raiser, if donked into, should we bluff raise instead of folding, which would be beter long term??

Thanks for any input

THIS IS ACTUALLY A STRATEGY THREAD IN REGARDS TO HOW TO RESPOND TO DONK BETS AND IMPROVING OUR ETURNS ON MISSED FLOPS BUT I'VE BEEN FORCED TO POST IT HERE BECAUSE THE NAZI MODS KEEP LOCKING MY POSTS.

THANKS

Here are my stats from the month of November (discount the NL 50 when I took shots and ran into some tough spots). I understand that these are far from optimal and I have recognized some leaks from reviewing at the end of the month.





I ran pretty bad a tthe beginning of the month. I ran an EV calc for my all ins and found I was about $250 below EV. The Bigger downswings in my graph were from running bad at the shots I took at NL 50 (where I had the most below ev).

1) For whatever reason my UTG VPIP and pfr raise is extremely higher than I expected it to be. I looked at the hands I am playing and found that I am opening with hands such as SC and other hands that are fine to play in position but not UTG.
2) I am completing wayyy too much from the sb and this is probably the biggest thing putting my VPIP in the 27 range.
3) I am cold calling too many raises in general when I should be 3betting/folding. This would be both in and out of position.
4) Sometimes I limp with hands I want to play UTG or UTG+1 when I should open/ fold depending on the table

However, I think my AF has allowed me to win at some point at these tables. I would like to tighten up to about 22/20 so what is the biggest thing I need to do to change this? I assume it is tighten up a lot from the sb/UTG/UTG +1. I find myself raising some marginal hands such as low suited aces sometimes or suited gappers regardless of position. While I may get away with this at extremely tight table I know I am burning money when I get 3 bet by people in position and I raised a hand OOP. Finally, i ran filters on my 3 bet pots and found that while I do very well in pots that I 3 bet, I do very poorly in hands in which I call a 3 bet. I am assuming this is likely to calling with pairs out of position in HU pots and probably not floating when necessary and folding to flop/turn cbets or the fact that I shouldnt be putting myself in these situation in the first place.

Anything else you guys see would be appreciated, or any comments in general on what I can improve. I am starting to move up to NL 50 as I have been clearing bonus and rakeback to give me 20+ buyins but I want to get rid of some of these leaks before I make the total transition.

*i've made a mistake, i posted this in a FR forum

hi, i've been playing nl25 since mid november, and it's been relatively ok, but i have some bad habits, like not believing maniacs, and calling them down with 2nd or 3rd pair and so.. can anyone point me in the right direction?

i'm 4 tabling for approx 1k hands/day.










Thanks again

I moved up to 20NL six months ago after being a very profitable 10NL player. My stats up to the end of June were this.





Obviously moving up was a no brainer but ever since I've been on a very slow decline. My stats are as follows.





Now I've been playing under the assumption that there should be no difference at all between the levels. Well maybe a slight difference but not one that turns me from a winning player to a losing player in such a dramatic fashion.

I also know that I have numerous leaks in my game that in higher levels would be very exploitable. I know, for example that there is too much of a gap between my vpip and pfr. But I take experience from 10NL in that there are certain situations where you can limp in with hands that you wouldn't normally play and win big pots (i.e. limping in with Ax suited with the soul intention of only playing the hand with two pair, straight or a flush, not for the top pair).

The truth is I seem to have lost my confidence and the results reflect that. I don't know if the difference in the EV (with the 20NL) is a major contributing factor and I don't know if I am running bad because a lot of the time I seem to be just running into tough situations that force a fold.

It's hard to describe without veering off into bad beat style stories. It's not bad beats because I'm not getting many. I have felt hand-strength dead (i.e. not hitting draws of having vulnerable hands on heavy texture boards) and have been suffering from second-best hand syndrone a lot (having straights and flushes crush sets and two pairs) but, again, I'm not going to blame it all on just that.

Basically I don't know what's wrong because, to me, the stat differences seem subtle yet the results aren't and it must be more than variance.

Thanks for any feedback and I'll ask any questions you have about mygame.

Stop limping with trash (including Ax suited) your not going to hit a flush/2 pair or better nearly often enough to make this profitable. If you want to play the hand raise it and give yourself a chance to take down the blinds.

Also start 3-betting more and cold calling less.

Can you post your positional stats also these are a lot more helpful for finding leaks.

Everything you've listed is correct just follow this and your winrate should improve.

To add to this you should be a lot tighter in the small blind. I know it's tempting to complete the small blind with marginal hands when a few people have limped before, but you are going to lose a ton of money because you are playing the rest of the hand out of position with weak holding.

I certainly can.

I would suggest 3-betting more from the blinds, especially when you get raised from a late position.

Also try to avoid completing or calling raises from the small blind so much.
If you are playing marginal hands OOP you will end up losing money

Alright. I've been playing for a couple of years, but I've been learning seriously for the past month. I've been running break even until the last 8k hands, and I had a great run over a couple of sessions. I play 5nl 6 max. I've been learning and reading and responding and trying to catch as much information as I can.




I think one of my biggest leaks is that I'm not aggressive enough on the turn and the river. When I got my really good run, I was very aggressive on both. I started to pick up more and more places to bet on the turn and the river from hud stats. If you have any more suggestions, I'm very open to learn from you guys and absorb as much information as I can. Thank you very much!

OK, I thought I would pop these up here for some feedback. I realise the sample size is small, but I have just started playing NL2 6-max and wondered what feedback could be given on my stats so far.

Complete rookie when it comes to PT3, so any feedback would be much appreciated. For instance, how am I so terrible UTG but godlike in the blinds?

Thanks in advance.

looks pretty solid and your crushing it so far, i think theres to big a gap between your VPIP and your PFR tough, mabye like 32-30/24 would be better, so start folding/3 betting the lowerer part of your calling range, mabye call less OOP for example.

i dont know how you are losing money UTG and UTG+1 and winning in the blinds, probably just variance due to the sample size

also i would never open limp, i think its optimal in 6max, if you are limping small PPs or suited aces its either not profitable or you could play them for a greater profit just opening with them

from your hands and hours played it looks like you averaging around 2 tabling, so my goals would be to work up the number of tables gradually to as much as you can, then grinding your roll up will be a lot quicker and enjoyable. also i would start taking shots at NL5

36/24 is around the right lines but those numbers need to be much closer together. 26/24 if you plan on playing solid hands and getting value from NL2tards or 36/32 if you plan on playing pots in position and spanking them postflop. Both work.

Basically stop overlimping; start iso-raising.

heelp :P

Hello, I run 18.4/13.5/2.4
W$WSF: 42.5
WTSD: 27.17
W$SD: 56.5
AFq:45.16
3-bet: 5.28
Fold 3bet: 66.06
Attmpt to steal: 24.04
Fold BB to steal: 83.17
Fold Sb to steal: 86.19

This is over a 50k hand sample. Now can someone please help me figure out why when I have good enough instincts and hand reading to get to SD 57% of the time with the best hand, I would be on a 28 buyin downswing which is causing me to move down from the 25nl I had been crushing? I have been running disgustingly unbelievably bad but is there also a tremendous hole in my game I'm just not seeing? I'm kinda losin it so any help is greatly appreciated.
-Dough

Not sure I agree with this, optimal or not I'm 95% positive you can beat both 2nl and 5nl for 10 ptBB + playing 30/20ish.

3-bet more, fold to 3-bet more. And if you're winning 56% at SD and losing you're likely tilting and losing huge pots and only winning smaller ones, either by not value betting correctly/enough when you do have the goods or even in thin spots or by not letting go of hands when you're clearly beat. Or both.

this is from today




this is all hands

wtf fold to a 3bet

Dough:

I play almost similar preflop over the same sample size. I would LOVE to have your WTSD and W$SD numbers - those are really high!

You might be calling too many raises from the BB.

The only explanation I can think of for the downswing is that you are not value betting enough - hence the 57% of showdowns you win are mostly small to medium sized pots, and the 43% you lose are the big/stack sized pots.

srsly you must be bleeeeding $$$ in 3-bet pots. that # is unbelievably high...

wingchunflush:

Apart from the 3 bet pots you have a very high WTSD - I think you might be overplaying your one pair hands and not folding them enough when you are beat.

what is a decent number?

Like 60%+ I'd say. Mine's 68 over a big sample.

flush you ever thought bout trying to play str8 forward tag? you have to worry about 3 bet pots alot less