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11-20-2008 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by icantlaythisdown
I wasn't going to post but reading this thread has been so helpful. I'm throwing mine out there. I was playing 10nl the first 10k, 25nl the rest. I see now that my cold call % is ridiculous. I'm hate to 3bet marginal hands. So does this mean I need to really open up my range or 3bet these marginal hands? Thanks 2+2ers. You rock.
How can I raise my non-showdown winnings? If I could get that to flat line instead of dropping it would rock my world. Is this possible or an inevitable side effect of entering pots? I'v seen other posts in this thread where that was positive, but the sample sizes were small. Please rock my world.
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11-20-2008 , 08:18 PM
Here are my stats at 10NL. Could somebody tell me if I have any big leaks I should work on and were I can improve my game? Thx in advance





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11-21-2008 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by icantlaythisdown
How can I raise my non-showdown winnings? If I could get that to flat line instead of dropping it would rock my world. Is this possible or an inevitable side effect of entering pots? I'v seen other posts in this thread where that was positive, but the sample sizes were small. Please rock my world.
It's definitely possible, you basically need to bet more and fold less. 3betting more will help, stealing more will help, you may not be cbetting enough. Improved hand reading skills (though experience) will help.
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Originally Posted by Lunatic2333
Here are my stats at 10NL. Could somebody tell me if I have any big leaks I should work on and were I can improve my game? Thx in advance
Wow, really nice stats IMO, they look similar to mine. Very positionally aware which is great. Not much else to say. Your BB range is really tight but it seems to be working (small sample though), you could maybe play more hands vs loose button/CO openers, don't know if those exist at 10NL.

You call a lot of 3bet, which could be ok depending on how you play postflop, maybe run a filter in HEM to isolate hands where you call 3bets and see if you are playing profitably (it's probably negative, but compare the numbers to if you had folded).

Oh yeah, 1 more thing, move up!
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11-21-2008 , 10:36 AM
here are my stats for nl20:



my winrate is around 5 BB/100 and i manage to make ~20 buy-ins for nl50
do you see any big leaks in my stats? am i ready to move up to nl50?
what changes do i need to make in order to be a winning player at nl50?

thanks
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11-21-2008 , 10:43 AM
36k hands and you're a clear winner

what's stopping you from at least trying?
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11-22-2008 , 04:01 AM
im not sure am i clever enough
come on people, give me some hints
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11-22-2008 , 11:09 AM
10NL 2-4 tabling graph and stats:





Since I started 8-tabling 10NL this month:



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11-22-2008 , 11:48 AM
crushing
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11-22-2008 , 12:23 PM
Hello, I've played 20k hands of NL20, NL25 and some NL50 (only 800 hands).
Do my stats look ok? my red line is ugly, which might indicate weak play right?
I'm sick of playing breakeven D:

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Thank you
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11-22-2008 , 03:47 PM
^i think you coldcall too much preflop. I think anything below 4 is fine, your all the way up at over 7%

I think your completing from the SB way too much, dont complete any two cards. Unless you flop complete monsters with hands like 72o, 83o etc your going to be folding those hands postflop.
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11-23-2008 , 11:50 AM
Hey guys, I've been playing Nl10 for a little while and i just bought HM, its about 12k hands and i realized the difference between my VPIP and my PFR is kinda huge, o besides that anything else is wrong? thanks

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11-23-2008 , 11:55 AM
Also, do you recommend increasing the PFR or decreasing the VPIP? thanks
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11-23-2008 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SbteH
Also, do you recommend increasing the PFR or decreasing the VPIP? thanks
When you get dealt cards, think about wether it will be profitable to play them or not. If you think you can play them profitable, the most profitable way to play them is usually for a (re)raise and about never for a limp. Don't go 3betting every hand you want to play if there's a raise in front, obviously some hands play better coldcalled (small pocketpairs for setvalue etc). But stop coldcalling A8o or J9o in position, and also call less out of the blinds (more 3bets and more folds instead).

Probably decrease VPIP, because a higher VPIP puts you in harder postflop spots, that you probably won't be able to handle yet (just giving my honest opinion based on you asking these questions though your winrate is crushing so maybe you can, but this could also be variance). Experiment playing tighter and with a smaller gap, and perhaps then start thinking about opening up your game a bit more again. 19/16 or so are very solid stats for beating uNL. You can go even tighter, but don't overdo the tightness either.

Also don't play to achieve certain stats, play what hands you think you can play profitable! If you get dealt a certain hand, don't think "my VPIP is X atm, so I'm gonna fold" or "my VPIP is only Y so I'll raise". Fold or raise because of the hand and the table situation, don't play to achieve stats!
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11-23-2008 , 04:40 PM
Thanks for the reply, yah i know the "increase PFR or decrease VPIP" sounded really newb, what i meant by that is that is it more profitable for microlimit grinders to play a the ABC pretty tight game or is it better to play a little more hands to exploit leaks on others games
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11-24-2008 , 02:19 PM
If you are a really good hand reader and post flop player, then the the best strategy is to be in as many pots as you can. But don't overestimate your skills. If you are a beginner, then your best strategy is to play a very TAG style and only play strong hands
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11-25-2008 , 09:28 AM
These are all of my hands at NL5 6max. Just looking for ways in which I can improve my winrate, because I'm pretty sure I should be getting more than 6.75ptbb/100 at nl5. I usually play 6 to 8 tables, maybe this has something to do with the fairly low winrate? Looks like I'm also losing way to much in non-showdown pots.

Graph



Graph with non-showdown winnings




Overall stats and position stats.






Any input would be greatly appreciated. And yes I know, I've been playing NL5 too long.
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11-25-2008 , 10:08 AM
Andy Pipkin

Playing 6-8 tables, anything over 5ptbb is crushing imo. Move up to NL10 weeks (months?) ago :P

Stats look solid and are those of someone who can beat NL50, but postflop is "alot" harder there. One rather big thing you should work on though:

You're playing too many hands from early position, and not enough in late position. Your UTG and button stats are very similar. This gap should be ALOT larger. A 19/13 optimally has something like 9/9 stats for UTG, and 25/20 to 35/30 on the button. I think changing your positional stats will significantly improve your winrate.

Move up to NL10 now and move up to NL25 if you're beating it over ~10K hands at a similar (or slightly lower) rate.
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11-25-2008 , 10:13 AM
ty Grindcore. And what about the BB? Is it standard to be losing that much in the BB?
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11-25-2008 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy Pipkin
These are all of my hands at NL5 6max. Just looking for ways in which I can improve my winrate, because I'm pretty sure I should be getting more than 6.75ptbb/100 at nl5. I usually play 6 to 8 tables, maybe this has something to do with the fairly low winrate? Looks like I'm also losing way to much in non-showdown pots.

Any input would be greatly appreciated. And yes I know, I've been playing NL5 too long.
Your cold call numbers are very high especially from the small blind. Try not to flat call pre-flop with marginal hands OOP.

Also your W$SD is very high, but your WTSD is quite low. This makes me think that you are probably folding a bit too much and not going to showdown enough
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11-27-2008 , 06:36 PM
What's a good bb/100 @ 25NL?
I run slightly >4 bb/100 15-18 tabling

Only problem i have with my stats are my huge negative non sd winnings >.<

will post graph / stats if need be
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11-28-2008 , 02:29 AM
Hey guys

I 12-14 table 25nl at FTP and these are my first 36k hands played at this limit. Overall, I felt that this limit was much easier to beat than 10nl and obviously much more profitable because of less rake (I get rakeback too.) I think that overall I play well/OK but I feel that my game is kind of at a halt, and I'm concerned that my mass grinding ways is not sustainable when I try and move up. Basically a few questions

(a) Should I be opening up my SB when folded to me at a very high rate? I think I see some pretty good winning regs at like 80-90%, but I am at 41%.

(b) I want to cut down my tables to enhance my reads and to play more optimally. I feel that my VPIP in LP/BTN will naturally go up because I'll be playing less tables, is this an OK assumption? I see guys playing 23-26VPIP consistently, and that is the kind of numbers I want to reach, as I feel that it is most optimal for 8-9tables at microlimits given my general play "style."

(c) 3betting. I know that I call 3bets WAY too much, even IP (my F3b is 44.5%-- yeah I got issues) and generally I only 3bet for value at 25nl. When I am trying to expand my 3bet range/frequency who are the types of players I should be targeting consistently?

(d) WWSF. My last 5kish hands my WWSF is at 45.2% because I've made a much much more concerted effort to more aggressive postflop in order to pick up pots. I feel that its more than just "LOL double barrel more" because I think I do that a TON already, especially against regs. Can anyone provide more insight? I also feel that if I cut down on my tables I can also naturally make better reads postflop and that will increase my WWSF.

(e)Tilt. I've easily tilted away anywhere from 150-220 dollars IMO during this stretch, EV wise it could be higher because I also lose implied/reverse implied odds to stack fish and whales when I am tilting 100bbs off constantly.

Anyway onto the graphs.

Overall:



Position:


misc:
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11-28-2008 , 03:26 AM
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Originally Posted by aggo
Hey guys

I 12-14 table 25nl at FTP and these are my first 36k hands played at this limit. Overall, I felt that this limit was much easier to beat than 10nl and obviously much more profitable because of less rake (I get rakeback too.) I think that overall I play well/OK but I feel that my game is kind of at a halt, and I'm concerned that my mass grinding ways is not sustainable when I try and move up. Basically a few questions

(a) Should I be opening up my SB when folded to me at a very high rate? I think I see some pretty good winning regs at like 80-90%, but I am at 41%.

(b) I want to cut down my tables to enhance my reads and to play more optimally. I feel that my VPIP in LP/BTN will naturally go up because I'll be playing less tables, is this an OK assumption? I see guys playing 23-26VPIP consistently, and that is the kind of numbers I want to reach, as I feel that it is most optimal for 8-9tables at microlimits given my general play "style."

(c) 3betting. I know that I call 3bets WAY too much, even IP (my F3b is 44.5%-- yeah I got issues) and generally I only 3bet for value at 25nl. When I am trying to expand my 3bet range/frequency who are the types of players I should be targeting consistently?

(d) WWSF. My last 5kish hands my WWSF is at 45.2% because I've made a much much more concerted effort to more aggressive postflop in order to pick up pots. I feel that its more than just "LOL double barrel more" because I think I do that a TON already, especially against regs. Can anyone provide more insight? I also feel that if I cut down on my tables I can also naturally make better reads postflop and that will increase my WWSF.

(e)Tilt. I've easily tilted away anywhere from 150-220 dollars IMO during this stretch, EV wise it could be higher because I also lose implied/reverse implied odds to stack fish and whales when I am tilting 100bbs off constantly.

Anyway onto the graphs.

Overall:



Position:


misc:
Teach me to run dat good
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11-28-2008 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
What's a good bb/100 @ 25NL?
I run slightly >4 bb/100 15-18 tabling

Only problem i have with my stats are my huge negative non sd winnings >.<

will post graph / stats if need be
That seems pretty good considering the number of tables you are playing.
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11-28-2008 , 08:43 AM
aggo



(a) Should I be opening up my SB when folded to me at a very high rate? I think I see some pretty good winning regs at like 80-90%, but I am at 41%.

This depends on the BB. If he plays back at you, calls light, plays position well etc, then you should play very tight. If he folds too much, you can open any 2 cards. Make it 3x against the nits with any two cards, and 4x with a much tighter range (20% or so) against the players that play back at you. Obv these are crude guidelines and everything is situational.

(b) I want to cut down my tables to enhance my reads and to play more optimally. I feel that my VPIP in LP/BTN will naturally go up because I'll be playing less tables, is this an OK assumption? I see guys playing 23-26VPIP consistently, and that is the kind of numbers I want to reach, as I feel that it is most optimal for 8-9tables at microlimits given my general play "style."

Don't play to achieve certain stats. Play what hands you think are optimal. If I have position on some tilty guy, I often turn into a loose passive "station". If I have nits on my left, I turn into a maniac. If I have people who constantly fold to 3bets, I get 15%+ 3bet stats. You get the idea. The fewer tables you play, the easier it becomes to adjust.

All that being said, from experience I know your VPIP definatly goes up as a result from playing fewer tables, even to unprofitable heights. There's nothing wrong with 4-tabling at 23/19 stats or so. I did that at NL50 and made ~$40/hour over 20K hands.


(c) 3betting. I know that I call 3bets WAY too much, even IP (my F3b is 44.5%-- yeah I got issues) and generally I only 3bet for value at 25nl. When I am trying to expand my 3bet range/frequency who are the types of players I should be targeting consistently?

Look for players with a low VPIP but high steal frequency. Kinda like yourself. Also look at their fold to 3b stats. The larger the gap between their VPIP and steal, the more likely you can get away with 3betting a ton against them. You'd be the exception because you never fold though

(d) WWSF. My last 5kish hands my WWSF is at 45.2% because I've made a much much more concerted effort to more aggressive postflop in order to pick up pots. I feel that its more than just "LOL double barrel more" because I think I do that a TON already, especially against regs. Can anyone provide more insight? I also feel that if I cut down on my tables I can also naturally make better reads postflop and that will increase my WWSF.

That's a pretty high value already, you don't have to worry about increasing it. When you play fewer tables, this stat will go up naturally though, because you can make better thin rivercalls and/or bluffs.

(e)Tilt. I've easily tilted away anywhere from 150-220 dollars IMO during this stretch, EV wise it could be higher because I also lose implied/reverse implied odds to stack fish and whales when I am tilting 100bbs off constantly.

Set a stoploss and admit to yourself when you're tilting.




If your goal is to grind it out at NL50, you can start playing more tables again after a while. If you want to rise trough the limits though, I'd stick to playing fewer tables. Especially after you just moved up, I think 4 is a very good number of tables to play. It's harder to follow pots you're not involved in yourself if you play more than that.

GL
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11-28-2008 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
Teach me to run dat good
$ev= 1209

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Originally Posted by Grindcore
Look for players with a low VPIP but high steal frequency. Kinda like yourself. Also look at their fold to 3b stats. The larger the gap between their VPIP and steal, the more likely you can get away with 3betting a ton against them. You'd be the exception because you never fold though

I'm definitely going to fold to 3bets more even IP because I know its a huge leak for me right now. Sometimes I just feel that like people are 3betting me light (even though they usually arent) and I can never give opponents credit. Its also a big source of tilt imo, especially for me.

TY so much for the response, really helpful. I think once I cut down on my tables I will be able to further increase my winrate.
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