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10-02-2008 , 04:50 AM
ok I need some major help..
I'll give my thoughts on this later.. I think I'm opening too many marginal hands in when/where I shouldn't be. My cbets are too big and I'm cbetting everything imaginable ip.. what else? agh : (



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10-02-2008 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cswolf
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The 2 things I see are high WTSD and low turn agg. Try to get more value on the turn with top pair/overpair/monster hands and fold a little more in marginal situations(something I should do a bit more of myself :P)
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10-02-2008 , 06:00 AM
cswolf - kav and melina nailed it.
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10-02-2008 , 08:34 AM
Hey thanks guys I appreciate it. I think I'm going to try to nit up for a sample of hands until I get better at marginal spots and if that helps out.
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10-02-2008 , 11:21 AM
any comments on my stats at the top of the page? pleeeease
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10-02-2008 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by yemen
any comments on my stats at the top of the page? pleeeease
Loosen up in late position. Call down just a little more (it's easier to do in position). If anything you can play just a fraction tighter UTG.

Also, your AF is very high, are you doing a lot of bet/folding on the flop? It's fine to check behind your medium strength hands on the flop especially against tricky/aggressive opponents.
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10-02-2008 , 03:37 PM
I need some big help here guys, up at the top of the page. Much appreciated. Is there any value in bluffing at 10nl?
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10-06-2008 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mookie88
I need some big help here guys, up at the top of the page. Much appreciated. Is there any value in bluffing at 10nl?
You're playing way way too many hands from the sb, and you have a huge gap between your vpip and pfr. raise more and call less, and play more hands, your sample is pretty useless. also, you go to showdown quite a bit more than i'd be comfortable with.
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10-07-2008 , 03:05 AM
I have a few specific questions about general ranges for a couple of stats.

According to PT3 here's a few of my stats:

This is at 25NL 6max at FTP and is only for October so I only have a few thousand hands so far. I'm running a bit hot as my PTBB/100 is 16 and I realize my sample size is too small, but bear with me here...

I'm running 23.4/18.3/2.3

3Bet PF is 7.56 <--- seems a little low?

Call 3Bet PF is 31.73 <--- this seems REALLY high

Steal is 32.1 <--- seems a little high?

CCPF is 10.51 according to PT3 <-- that seems wrong, I'm pretty sure I'm not cold calling raises 10% of the time preflop. If it is right, it seems high no?

My CBet F is 71%

W$WSF is 49.6
WTSD is 29.55 <-- these three stats I'm not quite sure what to make of
W$SD is 58.22


Last bit of info - I'm in the process of opening up my game - previously I ran around 19/13/1.8 and felt I was just too nitty and tight. So I think part of the reason I'm calling so many pf 3 bets is that in the past my opening ranges were tighter and I'd have better hands to call against the more LAGgy players trying to steal my pfr. But I think this is a leak but I'm curious for some feedback as I make this transition.

Again if there is a stats thread I should post this in, by all means let me know and I'll post there.

Thanks for any feedback
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10-07-2008 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoGuy
I have a few specific questions about general ranges for a couple of stats.

According to PT3 here's a few of my stats:

This is at 25NL 6max at FTP and is only for October so I only have a few thousand hands so far. I'm running a bit hot as my PTBB/100 is 16 and I realize my sample size is too small, but bear with me here...
Get a bigger sample size and your questions might just answer themselves... But whatever, I'll give you some feedback.

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I'm running 23.4/18.3/2.3
Looks good, pretty aggro, not nitty at all imo.

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3Bet PF is 7.56 <--- seems a little low?
No, it's actually pretty high. around 4-5 is "standard" TAGish, lower is nitty, higher is aggro I'd say as a general guideline.


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Call 3Bet PF is 31.73 <--- this seems REALLY high
Myeah depends... If your opponent is a 16/12 and has a 3bet stat of 2, then you should hardly ever call his 3bet, except if you've seen him stack off with an overpair to your set etcetcetc... Don't call too many 3bets OOP especially, in general: You don't have to defend that often at your limit IMO. I have a lower call 3bet and I'm making my monies at NL100, so don't worry too much about defending... Games shouldn't be THAT aggro.

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Steal is 32.1 <--- seems a little high?
Perfectly fine to keep it as high as that. Try to play as many pots as possible in position against the fish. Only problem you might have with it being that high, is that against aggressive opponents, you might tend to play (a bit) too many 3 bet pots, even in position, where they might just as well have the goods... Think about it, but don't necessarily change anything immediately.

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CCPF is 10.51 according to PT3 <-- that seems wrong, I'm pretty sure I'm not cold calling raises 10% of the time preflop. If it is right, it seems high no?
Yeah it's high if it's correct... But if you're running 23/18, I can't see that it can be that high either, so whatever...

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My CBet F is 71%

W$WSF is 49.6
WTSD is 29.55 <-- these three stats I'm not quite sure what to make of
W$SD is 58.22
Cbet F is just fit or fold as it looks like... Try to float some opponents who are just 100%cbetting and then c/fing the turn. Try to play your draws more aggressively etc.etc.

The other 3 stats are pretty irrelevant over a small sample imo


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Last bit of info - I'm in the process of opening up my game - previously I ran around 19/13/1.8 and felt I was just too nitty and tight. So I think part of the reason I'm calling so many pf 3 bets is that in the past my opening ranges were tighter and I'd have better hands to call against the more LAGgy players trying to steal my pfr. But I think this is a leak but I'm curious for some feedback as I make this transition.

Thanks for any feedback
I touched on that before, if you got any other questions, let me know and I'll see if I can help ya...


Cheers, hope I could help a bit
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10-07-2008 , 03:19 AM
Thanks, I'll post again in a couple weeks after I get 20K or so hands in

For now I was just looking for some general guidance.

The game feels so different after just a week playing like this. I can't imagine those that play like 28/23. lol Funny how easy it is to get used to a style and to get into a rut. (Also interesting how getting out of the comfort zone is hard at first, but easier every day)
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10-07-2008 , 06:10 AM
Recently just finished a stay in downswing town and was looking to asses and re-evaluate my game. It would be great if you guys could help me identify any leaks. Seems that being a little better than breakeven after 40k hands is almost unacceptable.





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10-07-2008 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MOTU79989
Recently just finished a stay in downswing town and was looking to asses and re-evaluate my game. It would be great if you guys could help me identify any leaks. Seems that being a little better than breakeven after 40k hands is almost unacceptable.
Your numbers are really nitty but for some reaso your 3bet and 4bet % are really really high. Your'e also defending against 3bets way too light. I'm guessing you're losing a lot non-showdown in these kind of pots and its really stalling your winnings. Try to fold to 3bets more IP and 3bet less OOP and you should be fine.
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10-07-2008 , 11:30 AM
what's wrong with my won without showdown? how can i fix this leak?
anything else wrong with my play?







thx for helping me
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10-07-2008 , 11:52 AM
nick, your WTSD numbers are really high and your AF is low so i'm guessing you're not cbetting enough, double barreling, or value betting in general. try to be the one with initiative more often and your non-showdown winnings will go up.
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10-07-2008 , 12:44 PM
Nick, you're about as tight on the button as I'm UTG LOL, open up your game in position. Steal more.

A negative non-showdown graph and a positive showdown graph is a natural result of playing tighter than your opponents. You fold more thus lose more money without showdown, but when you play a hand you got the goods so you win at showdown. You shouldn't try to have both graphs positive. But when you open up your game in position, steal more, and valuebet your hands more aggressively postflop you'll start winning much more money without showdown while barely losing less money at showdown, netting in drasticly increased winnings (seriously, you can expect almost to double your winrate just by stealing more on the button alone).
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10-07-2008 , 01:24 PM
I've been writing a lot of replies here the last few weeks but I'd like some advice on my own stats. First i've got my overall sample of NL50 (which is short lived because i've moved up and down so much as well as moving between here and tournaments). Second I have my most recent 6k hands, where i've adjusted my play a little and notably am cold calling much less preflop. Thanks guys




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10-07-2008 , 01:56 PM
hi winning at a decent rate at 50nl (i think) 11.49 bb-100 over 15,000 hands,but my graph look horrible to me its way to choppy,anyone see any leaks in my stats advice would be appreciated
thanks

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10-07-2008 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SGisgod
hi winning at a decent rate at 50nl (i think) 11.49 bb-100 over 15,000 hands,but my graph look horrible to me its way to choppy,anyone see any leaks in my stats advice would be appreciated
thanks
Your 3bet defense rate is far too high, and from your W$SD numbers i'm guessing you're running sickly hot in those pots. I'd cut down on the 3bet defense and i think it'll help your showdowns in the future
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10-07-2008 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Barewire
Your numbers are really nitty but for some reaso your 3bet and 4bet % are really really high. Your'e also defending against 3bets way too light. I'm guessing you're losing a lot non-showdown in these kind of pots and its really stalling your winnings. Try to fold to 3bets more IP and 3bet less OOP and you should be fine.
Why are my stats nitty and if so then how would you suggest that I open up more? Also repost your stats and graph Barewire, they got erased.

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10-07-2008 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Barewire
I've been writing a lot of replies here the last few weeks but I'd like some advice on my own stats. First i've got my overall sample of NL50 (which is short lived because i've moved up and down so much as well as moving between here and tournaments). Second I have my most recent 6k hands, where i've adjusted my play a little and notably am cold calling much less preflop. Thanks guys



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10-07-2008 , 06:53 PM
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Why are my stats nitty and if so then how would you suggest that I open up more? Also repost your stats and graph Barewire, they got erased.
Thanks for letting me know. Your cutoff and hijack stats are roughly identical, so you're definitely playing too tight in the cutoff. Your button could definitely loosen up as well, I generally open (when folded to) any SCs, PPs, Axs, Axo, about half of suited Kx and Qx and K8/Q9+ type stuff. You can loosen or tighten this based on your table but ideally you're going to have tight players on your left from whom you can steal liberally. Getting that steal percent up will really help your winrate, as well as just cbetting IP like 80-90% of the time and taking down pots from people who defend too much. I also think you might be 3betting a big much from the blinds, but that's just if you're comfortable with it.
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10-08-2008 , 12:04 AM
I have played about 10,000 hands of poker that have been registered and recorded. I was wondering if someone can interpret my hands and tell me a leak that they might see. I have poker tracker, but I do not truly understand all of it. Please if someone could help, it would be greatly appreciated. I typically play 6.50 9 MAN SnG.
Thanks
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tazrestling27

that would be the best way to get me, thank you all for your help



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10-11-2008 , 12:41 AM
Hi,

I feel like i am pissing away money in "non showdown pots" but i have no idé how i could change this.

I lose the most money with A high and one pair ofc.. Am i trying bluffs at the wrong time?

Appreciate if anyone could take a look at my stats.

Peace

/HT



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10-11-2008 , 01:36 AM
HT,

it's normal for a TAG to lose money non-showdown, by their nature of folding medium strength hands more often than other players. Don't expect to win much non-showdown, just focus on getting your money in good at showdown and value betting well. Your other numbers look pretty solid to be honest. Just get a bigger sample and see what happens. You have been winning at a very good rate.
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