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11-04-2010 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by exxcellent
any takers?
As robsmith said open up your game. You are very nitty and while it can be profitable playing bit more loose, especially IP, can be even more profitable

Your UTG is under 10%...Even something like 14-15% isn't too bad especially at NL5 where players are so poor. But more than that widen your button and cutoff play. You have right idea in that you clearly play looser the later but you could add even more hands to button and cutoff range.

Dig into suited hands particulary. Suited hands are great in that they allow you to flop decent equity in form of flushdraw allowing you to be aggressive and if there's one card of right suit on flop there's instantly 10 cards for turn that can hit allowing you to maintain aggression.

You don't go to showdowns all that often. Opponents getting scared of your nitty imago or you folding best hand too often?

Other than that looks good. You play Very tight but atleast you are doing it well. Why not add more hands you want to play?-) Especially IP and when you get to be the pf raisor. More hands vs bad players=more winnings if you don't play them badly.
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11-04-2010 , 05:32 AM
Hello,

Any hints on what's going wrong here with my blind play? This is 6 max, 2NL cash game.



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11-04-2010 , 05:36 AM
Not doing as well as i hoped to, a little downswing/breakeven and below EV. I don't have time to play that many hands. These are my 10nl hands. First time posting stats, hopefully someone could point out something that could help me.



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11-04-2010 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by gz36
Hello,

Any hints on what's going wrong here with my blind play? This is 6 max, 2NL cash game.
Blinds are virtually quaranteed to be losing so nothing surprising there. As it is your losses there are pretty reasonable though you seem to be too loose on SB since you lose more there than on BB...It's THE worst position so you should play even less hands than BB and you lose everytime you do the standard line of fold.

And also 3bet more rather than call especially vs late position raises.
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11-04-2010 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by rss1
Not doing as well as i hoped to, a little downswing/breakeven and below EV. I don't have time to play that many hands. These are my 10nl hands. First time posting stats, hopefully someone could point out something that could help me.
Looks pretty solid. If you have leaks I suspect it's on postflop on where you don't have stats here and some leaks(like calling turn raises with TP or overpair) can't easily be spotted on stats anyway.
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11-04-2010 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by tneva82
As robsmith said open up your game. You are very nitty and while it can be profitable playing bit more loose, especially IP, can be even more profitable

Your UTG is under 10%...Even something like 14-15% isn't too bad especially at NL5 where players are so poor. But more than that widen your button and cutoff play. You have right idea in that you clearly play looser the later but you could add even more hands to button and cutoff range.

Dig into suited hands particulary. Suited hands are great in that they allow you to flop decent equity in form of flushdraw allowing you to be aggressive and if there's one card of right suit on flop there's instantly 10 cards for turn that can hit allowing you to maintain aggression.

You don't go to showdowns all that often. Opponents getting scared of your nitty imago or you folding best hand too often?

Other than that looks good. You play Very tight but atleast you are doing it well. Why not add more hands you want to play?-) Especially IP and when you get to be the pf raisor. More hands vs bad players=more winnings if you don't play them badly.
thanks for your input..

i think for my part if i hit tp gk on the flop and i face any aggression,i tend to fold most of the time. happens usually from guys that usually plays a tag style or guys that have been really passive but switched gear by showing aggression(check raising). i would think im easily beaten in these spots so i im folding alot before showdown to cut down on my variance
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11-04-2010 , 06:20 AM
Making the transition from full ring to 6max, just wanted to see if I was doing anything fundamentally wrong. Mostly 5NL but a bit of 10NL in there too. Just out of interest, are my stats closer to TAG or LAG because I don't really know what playstyle I'm playing right now lol. Thanks!

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11-04-2010 , 06:20 AM
Please help me to understand my leaks
Its exclusively from 6max NL
Thanks in advance
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11-04-2010 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tneva82
Blinds are virtually quaranteed to be losing so nothing surprising there. As it is your losses there are pretty reasonable though you seem to be too loose on SB since you lose more there than on BB...It's THE worst position so you should play even less hands than BB and you lose everytime you do the standard line of fold.

And also 3bet more rather than call especially vs late position raises.

Thank you!
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11-04-2010 , 05:54 PM
Any general comments or obvious leaks over this small sample at 5nl? (5500 hands).

Just moved from sit & go's to cash games. Feel reasonably comfortable at the stakes. Sometimes i find myself in tricky spots especially in 3 bet pots with big pairs!
Not used to playing with deep stacks...

Any comments/criticism appreciated!



http://yfrog.com/eqstars5nlj
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11-04-2010 , 06:32 PM
I kinda feel bad posting this here when there's quite a few people who have had no replies as yet, but I don't feel I'm qualified to comment on anyone's stats.

I have played 20k hands at 10nl and I can't beat it. I am not running under ev so I think it's pretty clear that I am a losing player.

I am also a nit. I don't go out and try to play really tight but it just happens. So here's my stats and graph.

If anyone could point out any leaks I'd be grateful.



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11-05-2010 , 02:06 AM
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Originally Posted by pbowenroe
I kinda feel bad posting this here when there's quite a few people who have had no replies as yet, but I don't feel I'm qualified to comment on anyone's stats.

I have played 20k hands at 10nl and I can't beat it. I am not running under ev so I think it's pretty clear that I am a losing player.

I am also a nit. I don't go out and try to play really tight but it just happens. So here's my stats and graph.

If anyone could point out any leaks I'd be grateful.



Hey dude,
You said you think you are just playing like a nit and can't help it, but honestly I think that is not your problem. Yes you could make some more $$ by opening up your game a little bit more from the BTN and especially from the CO. But the one thing that stands out to me by far the most is your winnings graph.

Your red line (non-showdown winnings) is almost straight down. I tried to figure out why this might be and then saw that your 2-barrel % is MEGA high. First of all you are cbetting ~80% on avg and then ~50% of those hands are being 2 barreled give or take. That means that you're cbetting and 2 barreling something like 40% of your range, which can't always be for value.

My biggest suggestion to you is just take a one-and-done approach at 10NL to cbetting. As your cbetting % isn't 100% I think you may have some idea about what types of boards are okay for cbetting and are making very good use of cbetting, but everything you win from cbetting you lose when you run failed 2barrel and perhaps 3barrel bluffs.

You must realize that at 10NL you are playing bad passive fish and when they call you it's because they have a hand. It doesn't mean it's a HUGE hand, it coudl very well be a draw. But the reality of the situation is they are NOT going to be folding to your 2 barrel. You mgiht want to check your HEM database and filter by turn continuation bet and see how much $ you have lost from those hands - I think the results might suprise you.

Hope this helps.

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I am not advocating to NEVER 2 barrel bluff. There are certain weak tight players that will always call your opens with pocket pairs and then maybe check/call a flop and always check/fold a turn. Just be sure you KNOW that you are playing a weak tight opponent if you want to try this. Most opponents at 10NL (>80%) are going to be bad passive and will be very reluctant to fold the turn with anything they called the flop with (which is why we value bet them so relentlessly when we do have it )

Last edited by hhm2; 11-05-2010 at 02:13 AM.
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11-05-2010 , 09:28 AM
Woah, thanks a lot for your reply. I can see that you put a lot of time into it.

I will definitely have a look through HEM and see where I'm losing money. ty again
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11-05-2010 , 12:33 PM
Hi,

I just try to learn 6max but so far I have not a very good understand about the different ranges compared to FR.

My rough guidline for VPIP is atm:

0-17 Nit
18-24 TAG
25-30 LAG
30+ Maniac
34+ Fish (?)

Is this a solid starting point? What are reasonable ranges for that player types for PFR?

Thanks a lot!
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11-05-2010 , 07:45 PM
Those stats seem pretty ok for those player types.

I'm not sure what your question about PFR is? Do you mean what would their PFR usually be?
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11-05-2010 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLdonkaments.
Making the transition from full ring to 6max, just wanted to see if I was doing anything fundamentally wrong. Mostly 5NL but a bit of 10NL in there too. Just out of interest, are my stats closer to TAG or LAG because I don't really know what playstyle I'm playing right now lol. Thanks!

Hey -

As I pointed out for the last poster. I feel you are bluffing far too much on the turn. Your flop cbet % is nice - 72%. But you are following through on the turn after fish are calling you 50% of the time then check/folding or bet/folded rivers.

As far as your other questions, honestly it doesn't matter what your style is - but I would say you are playing a more LAG style and could actually benefit by tightening up a small amount from CO/BTN/SB. I feel your unopened steal % from these positions is too high to be optimal, especially when you follow it up with failed 2 barrels. You could have a much larger win rate if you try and implement a one-and-done approach to cbetting against bad passive players (most of them) and try to just fold some of the low unsuited crap you are raising from CO/BTN/SB unless there are nits to your left.

Hope this helps.
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11-05-2010 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ready 2 win
Hi,

I just try to learn 6max but so far I have not a very good understand about the different ranges compared to FR.

My rough guidline for VPIP is atm:

0-17 Nit
18-24 TAG
25-30 LAG
30+ Maniac
34+ Fish (?)

Is this a solid starting point? What are reasonable ranges for that player types for PFR?

Thanks a lot!
These numbers look pretty standard. Im grinding 6 max 5nl at the moment having just moved from sit & go's and sometimes i notice some solid LAG playing as high as 32 - 35VP. Having said that they are generally have a far better post flop game than most regs at these stakes. Most players over 30 are fish though imo.

As for PFR, the number should be reasonably close. I play 26/22 give or take and raise all my range PF if folded to me. Its amazing how profitable punishing limpers can be at this level. Ill flat smaller pairs in late pos mostly and flat from the BB when SB attempts to steal with hands than can flop big draws. Happy to play these with position against the vast majority of players.

What kind of style will you be playing? Reg TAG to start?
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11-06-2010 , 06:20 AM
Hey guys, looking to get some input into my game. I play rush 5NL 6-max. Only played about 6K hands, but I'm not doing nearly as well as I hoped so far. I have been pouring over PT3 and I haven't noticed any immediate leaks - although I am bleeding money from the blinds. Any help is appreciated.








Edit: What exactly does the all-in EV mean that I can add to my graph? I know it means all-in expected value, but is that only for hands that go to showdown? My all-in EV is fairly negative.
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11-06-2010 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hhm2
Your red line (non-showdown winnings) is almost straight down. I tried to figure out why this might be and then saw that your 2-barrel % is MEGA high. First of all you are cbetting ~80% on avg and then ~50% of those hands are being 2 barreled give or take. That means that you're cbetting and 2 barreling something like 40% of your range, which can't always be for value.
Then again his pfr is low so his opening range and ergo cbetting range is stronger than usual. I have only bit lower flop cbet and about same 2nd barrel with higher pfr so I don't think that's big issue. Might be more of picking wrong spots and board textures. Though okay my red line sinks too but I'm losing in non-SD at blinds, not at other positions.
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11-06-2010 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Spacelord60
Edit: What exactly does the all-in EV mean that I can add to my graph? I know it means all-in expected value, but is that only for hands that go to showdown? My all-in EV is fairly negative.
Every hand is added to it. Full value is added for every hand that is folded(you fold, your all-in EV is what you had invested so far). If you go showdown to river it adds your profit or loss as you lost/won. If you go all-in at some point before river it then adds how much you in long run win from that.

Don't worry about that too much as it is somewhat flawed method of determining how well your game is. For example:

You raise, you get called. You flop middle set. You bet, he calls. Turn blank, you bet, he calls. River fills up r-r flush but you know opponent is such a station there's still tons of hands that he'll call you with including any top pair so you go all-in for 3/4 of a pot and he calls having hit r-r flush. This 100bb loss goes all to your all-in EV as loss when infact you got EXTREMELY unlucky.

Something similar happened to me twice today which is partially why all-in EV says negative while I ended up. Those goddamn fishes calling 2 street and hitting r-r nuts when I was holding very strong hand that would call me anyway. I know I didn't play it bad but according to all-in EV I did
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11-06-2010 , 12:47 PM
Hi there everyone if you can comment this graph and maybe point some tips for improving it would be great...i am kinnda new in this so any help would be appriciated....ty

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11-06-2010 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kokolo
Hi there everyone if you can comment this graph and maybe point some tips for improving it would be great...i am kinnda new in this so any help would be appriciated....ty
Try widening your range a bit. Especially CO and button. 14/12 is such a nitty stat that the only fact that keeps you doing decent is the fact uNL fishesh are so god damn poor they don't realise to get out of your way without nuts :P

Hard to say more since there was so few stats to comment on.
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11-06-2010 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by montana515
Any general comments or obvious leaks over this small sample at 5nl? (5500 hands).

Just moved from sit & go's to cash games. Feel reasonably comfortable at the stakes. Sometimes i find myself in tricky spots especially in 3 bet pots with big pairs!
Not used to playing with deep stacks...

Any comments/criticism appreciated!



http://yfrog.com/eqstars5nlj

Anyone take this???
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11-06-2010 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tneva82
Try widening your range a bit. Especially CO and button. 14/12 is such a nitty stat that the only fact that keeps you doing decent is the fact uNL fishesh are so god damn poor they don't realise to get out of your way without nuts :P

Hard to say more since there was so few stats to comment on.
here is some more....can you also tell me like what should be my standard co and button range ty

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11-06-2010 , 10:34 PM
i would like some feedback on my stats

I don't really know what all the stats mean so I may ask some follow up questions - thanks

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