Dont see anything wrong with your stats but you are losing to much in nonsdwinnings. Its not bad to have a neg redline at micro's but yours is way too steep.

I would really work on my game, study and think better about situations. I mean, the fact that you cbet alot (which is good) doesnt mean that you cbet in the right spots. Same goes for your other stats, they are only stats and dont say how you play certain hands and oponents in certain spots.

Good luck.

You run below ev. It seems that somewhere in the middle you started to play too aggro because your blue line starts dropping. Prob a result of running bad. I would cut down on the aggression 69 agrq% is way to high. Just stop trying to win every pot and think about it a little more

double barrel more, or cbet less

I've been playing my way up the 6max Rush poker ladder since Jan of this year. Did really well at the $10, $25, and $50NL levels so I moved up to $100 where I got my ass kicked. Moved back down to $50 but kept losing for quite a while (running way below EV all last month). Anyway I've sort of starting questioning myself and wonder if my stats look ok? Specific questions:

1) I never worried about my redline before but now I think its looking like a problem?

2) I seem to be losing a lot in the blinds (21bbs/100 SB, 44 in BB), is that worse than normal? (I rarely wait around to steal in Rush, which I'm thinking could be quite wrong.)

3) I'm not winning as much as expected in CO (ie less than in MP); is this just a data quirk or am I maybe opening too wide in the CO?

Any other areas of concern? Feedback is much appreciated...

Steve look back a page or 2 in this very thread and see a ton of good advice regarding redline.

What I would say to you specifically that didnt apply to the other posters in this thread, is that your redline should get closer and closer to break even the higher you play, my own redline looked very similar to yours moving up the ranks, then I hit a downswing at 50NL and decided to get coaching. My coach taught me some good bluffing spots and taught me how to be more aggressive in a lot of post flop spots in small uncontested pots. Basically I was too passive before, I would cbet too much and give up, I would not even try to win pots where I didnt think I had the best hand. Thats all changed now and since coaching my results are rediculous, resulting in my first 100NL shot this week and overall crushing 50NL.

Basically I now play 2 tables only, I was playing 4-6 tables at 25NL, and I put a lot of effort into reading my opponents tendencies, hand ranges etc.

GL, hope some of this helps.

is this based on his turn cbet%? if thats the case I think he is double barreling enough, at least at 25nl that is. Like I said before, its more important to focus on when to double barrel and not just to "double barrel more".

Well, I dont agree. At 25nl and below there is alot of value on cbetting a ****load and winning alot without showdown. And this is not because people know how to fold. Its because their preflop ranges are so wide they often HAVE to fold. When I was talking about valuebetting thinner I wasnt talking about valuebetting against TAG's but against fish. I mean, these are merily guidlines, you should always have some idea of what range you can get called by and why to valuebet not just think "oh, he is a fish I should valuebet my second pair" the point is also not that you should valuebet thinner and play better to get a pos redline. A pos redline is a result of valuebetting more and thinner and picking the right spots to do whatever. Same with stats, they dont tell you how someone is playing, they just tell you their frequenties.

That doesnt change the fact that you dont need a positive redline to beat the stakes below 25nl for a more than decent winrate. I just think that when you play optimal you'd have a pos or at least BE redline.

But most of the biggest winners at these stakes have negative redlines.
I only played around 60k hands total at 25NL before I got 40BI for 50NL, unlocking bonuses and RB helped but I had a 7BB winrate over the last 40k of that sample(I lost the other 20k switching laptops). My redline was a downward slop just like in all those graphs posted a page or 2 back ITT.

40k hands is no sample to gage a winrate by, but I think it happily gages a redline. So whether I could mantain that WR or not, I would have pretty much(unless I changed my game drastically) kept the same redline.

There are a ton of people around these very forums that beat the micros for double figures bb and in some cases way higher. If they are the biggest winners at their stake then I would say that thats optimal. Majority of them have negative redlines.

Unless by optimal you mean they make the correct decision in every single spot, in which case the possibilities are endless. For me, you have to look at the top 2% at your stake and see what they do, to me their game is "optimal".

It seems like a stupid pedantic arguement really, but there are a lot of impressionable young people in this thread particularly that get excited by redline and its the most glamourous part of poker. When I first started I had to have it drummed into me that redline wasnt to be worried about. I think its easy for them to get carried away and want to go out and bluff every pot and spew money chasing this redline. When a better approach would be to learn the fundamentals, get a good solid grasp, then build a bankroll for 50NL then small stakes, THEN learn how to improve your redline.

I totally agree with that last paragraph. As far as biggest winners are concerned. I played 25nl and 50nl at absolute for 2 years before I had to cash out my entire roll because of some ****ty life cirumstances over a year ago. I used to have a neg red line the first year I played poker. My intention was never to get a pos redline it just got positive as I started to play better from the blinds, cut down on the cbetting in the wrong spots and playing less tables, ie I started to play better and went from a 4-6bb/100 player to a 12bb/100 player for the last 200k hands I played there. I was taking shots at 100nl and cashing out more then I made from my student job. I also started to pay less attention to stats and changed my hud from something that looked like the dashboard in the enterprise to vpip/pfr/3bet/cbet/fcbet simpleness. For me the pos redline came as I improved.

Right now I play at ongame where I deposited 50bucks 2.5 months ago. Ive never seen so many bad players together. 80% is in the 50vpip range and somehow I have the highest nonshowdownwinnings Ive ever had, this is at 4, 10 and 20nl. This is partly do to the fact that it is 5max but also because most of the players are just too loose and cant call often enough. So I dont know wheter this is optimal but for me it works and it seems optimal because I have never had such a high winrate as I have now (100k hands now I think, but I had a computercrash 2 weeks ago, still waiting for ongame to send me the hh's).

Anyway, this is a very old discussion and I think there are many ways to play and make a good profit. I dont think there is one set rule for this.

I agree with all the "don't worry about redline too much if you're winning" posts, and like I said I was never very worried about it before. I had read that COTW (which is awesome) before and he basically says "if you are winning and your redline is less than 60% of your blue line then don't sweat it." For most of my year (since I started tracking in HEM) I was in the 50-55% range so I didn't sweat it. But now my redline is 82% of my blue, meaning I am really losing too much w/o SD and I need to start addressing this if I want to start winning again. One thing from reading the COTW is it looks like I need to start cbetting the turn more. And tighten up my 3betting. Maybe thats enough to stem the tide. Still if anyone sees anything weird in my stats pls let me know. Thanks...

Ok... I'm frustrated and could REALLY use some help. The mods in the n00b thread suggested I started with posting here to try to identify some big leaks I have. I'm planning on doing some sweats as well... but the more feedback I can get, the better.

I always seem to run into top-range hands when I call a serious bet from a villain. I mean, I don't feel like I'm making sheriff calls... if anything maybe I'm overvaluing my hands in certain spots. I typically make my decisions rationally, and try to think about what type of hand the villain is raising me with here, but when I decide to call, I'm behind like 98% of the time. I've done it too much to know it isn't a leak.

The beginning of this month has been really frustrating for me with that stuff, so I figured I'd start with those stats. I know it isn't a huge sample, but it should really pinpoint my situation I think.

NOTE: This is from playing *rush poker*, so please keep this in mind when viewing my stats...

My first 17k hands on NL10. Any advice is appreciated.





I'm also losing much more in non-sd winnings than I was at NL4. I don't know why, but I will try to figure out.

Play your hands stronger and less calling postflop would prob do it. Your agg% is pretty low. Watch some vids about hand reading and what good boards are to make bluffraises on etc... (dont do this if you dont really know why, as in "this guy is betting all the time, I raise" or "I have a draw, weee")

I posted my stats a little while ago, and here is another post after almost 60,000 hands.

Can anyone check any obvious leak here? Breakeven with ~80Khands. TY!

Is My leak located in my hands?




or How i play them?




Or do i tilt just to F***ing much?

Tighten up slightly from the SB, because your OOP, you want to play less hands from here.
Ie if its all checked/limped and youve got KJo in the SB, i fold there, as I find it just
gets me into a lot of trouble.

Yes I even fold KJo at 2c5c, for a mere 3c... but doing this 10x around, saves you 30c.

From the BB do the same, and in general for both positions try to start 3betting more, stuff like AJo
AQo, 99 etc can all be 3bet well from the BB i find. An important stat to use for this is ATS, if someone who
raises the button has an ATS of more than say 25 and folds to a lot of 3bets, I will definately 3bet them with a wide range from the BB.

The beauty of this is, if you 3bet someone with T2o from the button, which is trash, and they fold, you maintain a strong image if all you do is either
fold/3bet from the BB. I like this approach, however I dont reccomend regularly 3betting T2o!!, like I said I find AQo, AJo, 99 etc works better
but for this to work you have to be willing to continuation bet a large number of Ace/King high flops.

Same for the button, you need to be 3betting this position more, its such a powerful position at the table. My range for 3betting the button is currently at 8%. This
is something like 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AJo+. Also, on average try to see a few more showdowns, you only see almost 25% of showdowns winning 50% of them, this means when you go to showdown
you dont win a great deal. For instance I go to showdown about 29% of the time, winning 61%. This comes
from being able to fold TPTK vs a turn raise on a dry board, and good table selection IMO.

I hope this helps.

What stakes are your stats from?

10NL, great advice, I was already thinking the fold/3bet strategy from the blinds and this totally reafirms it, Ill definetly take table selection more seriously too...´post any changes in 20Khands.

I need help reading my stats. Can someone pinpoint my weaknesses so I can start working on them. Thanks.

Be less of a weaktight nit.

lol, nvmd, Its nitring. Wrong forum man.

what am i doing so wrong at BB ? folding too often and not 3 betting more?

Being this tight in the BB is fine but your gap between vpip and pfr is too big. Call less in the BB. You can raise more to punish limpers and def be more aggr postflop from that position. Stop defending light because you're OOP. And over this sample there is also alot of variance involved (that doesnt mean you shouldnt try to play better)

but its "normal" loosing so much on BB ?

Hello,
In the book "the mathematics of poker" they calculate how much the rake shifts the bell curve of winners and losers.
Obviously with no rake half the players would make money and half would lose.
In the book (p40) Chen and Ankenman calculate that 70% will lose 20% break even and 10% will win when the game is raked at 1BB/100.

So this means that at a full ring (10% of 9 players) you must be the best player at the table to make money.
OR there must be other players significantly below average. - table selection ?

This came back to me because of a recent PT review that I did.
My last 13,000 hands I am down $112. So I thought I would look for leaks.
During that time I paid $184 in rake. So I guess that puts me in the 51% - 89% range. I would make money if there was no rake.

Next if I only look at the VP$IP stats I am +$302 but 13,000 hands at NL0.25/0.1 is 1444 rounds (FR) that is about $500 !!!
Sure enough on NOT VP$IP I am - $400

So I am paying $500 to play and not making enough money to offset that.
So if either there was no rake, or no blinds I would be making money.
Depressing or what !

Does this mean that it is bad to keep playing at a table that is 8 or 7 handed and you are not getting as many hands for your money ?

Looking at parts of this thread I see that I need to steal more I am 27% it should be 35%
To get 35% I would be stealing with all SC, USC, Kxs, and Suited one gappers that only gets me to 33% So I need to add the top half of the unsuited one gaps to get to 35% and/or small suited 2 gaps.
Or do people just raise with rags and keep their steal % at 35?
I think it is nicer to have a trigger than just do it randomly.

My W$WSF also needs work (38%) so Ill do that.

I saw many other people stats who are losing less than their rake.

Anyone else been here, I am starting to feel that making money is a bit of a tall order mathematically at a raked table.

Stuart.