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02-03-2012 , 06:04 PM
ok cool... and what about this hand...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($7.06)
BB ($9.22)
UTG ($6.78)
CO ($5.62)
BTN ($5)

Dealt to Hero 6 5

UTG raises to $0.12, fold, BTN calls $0.12, Hero raises to $0.35, fold, UTG calls $0.23, BTN calls $0.23

FLOP ($1.10) 2 4 6

Hero bets $0.78, UTG calls $0.78, BTN folds

TURN ($2.66) 2 4 6 5

Hero checks, UTG bets $1.78, Hero raises to $5.93 (AI), UTG calls $3.87 (AI)

RIVER ($13.96) 2 4 6 5 8

UTG shows 2 2
(Pre 48%, Flop 82.9%, Turn 86.4%)

Hero shows 6 5
(Pre 52%, Flop 17.1%, Turn 13.6%)

UTG wins $13.38

opponent is like 35/30 or so, he seems to float everything, and is super aggressive. is this ok play (on all streets)?
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02-04-2012 , 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dadude77
ok cool... and what about this hand...

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.05(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($7.06)
BB ($9.22)
UTG ($6.78)
CO ($5.62)
BTN ($5)

Dealt to Hero 6 5

UTG raises to $0.12, fold, BTN calls $0.12, Hero raises to $0.35, fold, UTG calls $0.23, BTN calls $0.23

FLOP ($1.10) 2 4 6

Hero bets $0.78, UTG calls $0.78, BTN folds

TURN ($2.66) 2 4 6 5

Hero checks, UTG bets $1.78, Hero raises to $5.93 (AI), UTG calls $3.87 (AI)

RIVER ($13.96) 2 4 6 5 8

UTG shows 2 2
(Pre 48%, Flop 82.9%, Turn 86.4%)

Hero shows 6 5
(Pre 52%, Flop 17.1%, Turn 13.6%)

UTG wins $13.38

opponent is like 35/30 or so, he seems to float everything, and is super aggressive. is this ok play (on all streets)?
Dont 3bet pre.
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02-04-2012 , 04:07 PM
Villain is 40/4. Fold to cbet: 14% (7 samples) raise cbet: 29% (7samples)

I've seen him min raise a cbet in big pots at least 3 times now in 52 hands and seen him call cbets OOP w/ K high etc and bluff the river when turn checks through.


    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11787572

    BTN: $13.90 (139 bb)
    Hero (SB): $10.55 (105.5 bb)
    BB: $27.40 (274 bb)
    UTG: $10.91 (109.1 bb)
    MP: $11.26 (112.6 bb)
    CO: $6.15 (61.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
    UTG raises to $0.40, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.40, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.10

    Flop: ($3.50) 8 T A (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.60, BTN raises to $3.20, Hero calls $1.60

    Turn: ($9.90) 6 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($9.90) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets $5.85 and is all-in

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    02-05-2012 , 12:49 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by andymc1
    I've seen him min raise a cbet in big pots at least 3 times now in 52 hands and seen him call cbets OOP w/ K high etc and bluff the river when turn checks through.
    You have a small sample, but this seems like a good spot to check OTR and let him shove his bluffs into you. He seems fishy, so he might call with a worse Ace, but it sounds like he will definately bet a worse ace after you check twice and might bluff with his air as well (which is folding to your river shove).
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    02-05-2012 , 08:33 AM
    Villain was running 18/11 over 60 or so hands, AF 1.8 and AFq 45. Not seen him do anything particularly out of line in that time. Seems like an easy fold?

    PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    UTG: $2.06
    MP: $2.16
    CO: $1.39
    Hero (BTN): $4.57
    SB: $2.07
    BB: $4.84

    SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has K Q

    UTG calls $0.02, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BB calls $0.04, fold

    Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) 6 6 K
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10

    Turn: ($0.35, 2 players) 3
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB calls $0.20

    River: ($0.75, 2 players) T
    BB bets $1.25
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    02-06-2012 , 12:06 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by poshphil
    Villain was running 18/11 over 60 or so hands, AF 1.8 and AFq 45. Not seen him do anything particularly out of line in that time. Seems like an easy fold?
    Yes, fold here. Call, call overbet donk is pretty strong, particularly if villain hasn't been out of line so far in the session.
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    02-06-2012 , 12:08 AM
    Villain is basically an unknown, 23/15 over 26 hands and seems relatively TAGy based upon bet sizing, etc. He probably sees me as 24/20. The board run out is about as good as I can hope for and I can see him having a good Ax here a fair amount (as well as overpairs). I called F and T to keep him barreling his high cards that missed. Is this a call (bluff catch) or fold on the river?

    Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    UTG: $12.47
    MP: $11.66
    Hero (CO): $10.28
    BTN: $10.49
    SB: $5.90
    BB: $10.00

    SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6 6

    UTG raises to $0.26, fold, Hero calls $0.26, fold, fold, fold

    Flop: ($0.67, 2 players) 2 7 7
    UTG bets $0.44, Hero calls $0.44

    Turn: ($1.55, 2 players) 2
    UTG bets $0.77, Hero calls $0.77

    River: ($3.09, 2 players) 8
    UTG bets $1.54, Hero ???
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    02-06-2012 , 10:41 PM
      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11808252

      BB: $6.09 (121.8 bb)
      MP: $7.09 (141.8 bb)
      Hero (CO): $11.36 (227.2 bb)
      BTN: $4.99 (99.8 bb)
      SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
      MP raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.65, 2 folds, BB calls $0.60, MP calls $0.50

      Flop: ($1.97) 4 Q K (3 players)
      BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.70, BB folds, MP raises to $5.66 Hero sighs and....




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      Villain is...
      26/18 Afq 45
      3bet 7, has never folded to a 3bet 0/2 though.
      ATS 24, FvS 67
      WTSD 26
      WSD 67

      Flop check raise 0/7
      FvCB 60%
      200 hands. seems competent. no real notes/reads.
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      02-06-2012 , 10:53 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by SCF
      Villain is basically an unknown, 23/15 over 26 hands and seems relatively TAGy based upon bet sizing, etc. He probably sees me as 24/20. The board run out is about as good as I can hope for and I can see him having a good Ax here a fair amount (as well as overpairs). I called F and T to keep him barreling his high cards that missed. Is this a call (bluff catch) or fold on the river?

      Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      UTG: $12.47
      MP: $11.66
      Hero (CO): $10.28
      BTN: $10.49
      SB: $5.90
      BB: $10.00

      SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

      Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6 6

      UTG raises to $0.26, fold, Hero calls $0.26, fold, fold, fold

      Flop: ($0.67, 2 players) 2 7 7
      UTG bets $0.44, Hero calls $0.44

      Turn: ($1.55, 2 players) 2
      UTG bets $0.77, Hero calls $0.77

      River: ($3.09, 2 players) 8
      UTG bets $1.54, Hero ???
      I dont mind the call down I guess. But depending on how I feel at the table at this particular point in the game, half the time I call down, half the time I fold flop.
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      02-07-2012 , 02:52 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Dizzy Fuzz
        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11808252

        BB: $6.09 (121.8 bb)
        MP: $7.09 (141.8 bb)
        Hero (CO): $11.36 (227.2 bb)
        BTN: $4.99 (99.8 bb)
        SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
        MP raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.65, 2 folds, BB calls $0.60, MP calls $0.50

        Flop: ($1.97) 4 Q K (3 players)
        BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.70, BB folds, MP raises to $5.66 Hero sighs and....




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        Villain is...
        26/18 Afq 45
        3bet 7, has never folded to a 3bet 0/2 though.
        ATS 24, FvS 67
        WTSD 26
        WSD 67

        Flop check raise 0/7
        FvCB 60%
        200 hands. seems competent. no real notes/reads.
        What is hero's 3bet stat here? If villain is competent, we need to consider how villain perceives hero's 3bet. I think this will greatly impact his 3-bet flatting range preflop, which is critical here.

        The problem is that you don't have a good idea of his 3-bet call range, because you have no sample size. Since regs at uNL tend to call 3-bets out of position too much, my guess is that he probably has a flatting range of something like {QQ-22,AQ,KQ,AJ-ATs}. He is most likely 4-betting with AK, but some TAGs are uncomfortable getting it in and will flat with AK, even OOP. Maybe add 4 combos of AK for {QQ-22,AQ,KQ,AJ-ATs,AdTd, + 4 combos of AKo}. That equates to continuing with a 10% range (calling with an 8% and 4-betting 2%).

        Since this flop smacks your 3bet range in the face, his check raise is pretty strong. I don't see him doing this with AQ or underpairs. The problem is that he has very few draws here because the K and Q are on the board and he should be folding JT preflop (though we can't be certain he actually will). So his means that if the 3bet flatting range described above is correct, his range for check-shoving the flop is probably {KQ,QQ,AdJd,AdTd, + 4 combos of AKo}.

        At the end of the day, I think this boils down to how often you think he will flat AK preflop. If you don't think he has AK in his flatting range, then you have 27% equity, short of the 30% you need to call. If you put all of the AKo combos in his range, you have 43% equity and the call is trivial.
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        02-07-2012 , 05:51 PM
        PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        SB: $10.05
        BB: $11.17
        UTG: $13.02
        MP: $10.15
        CO: $9.50
        Hero (BTN): $10.28

        SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

        Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A A

        UTG calls $0.10, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.45, fold, UTG calls $0.40

        Flop: ($1.60, 3 players) J 2 7
        SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20, fold

        Turn: ($4.00, 2 players) 6
        SB checks, Hero bets $3.00, SB calls $3.00

        River: ($10.00, 2 players) T
        SB bets $5.35 and is all-in



        What's the deal here? Villain is 25/19 and straightforward, river looks like an obvious JT or maybe a slowly played set something.
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        02-07-2012 , 07:09 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by YARR123
        What's the deal here? Villain is 25/19 and straightforward, river looks like an obvious JT or maybe a slowly played set something.
        Given the stack sizes, it's probably not a bluff, since it's going to be hard to fold and villain couldn't count on hero finding a fold a 10NL. Looks like a set, especially if hero is fairly aggressive and can be relied upon to value bet flop and turn. The flop is very dry (only gutshots possible), so this would be a good spot for villain to slow play a set against a decently aggressive player.
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        02-07-2012 , 07:24 PM
        Yeah thats what I figured, he doesn't have really any FE. Sigh and muck it is then?
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        02-08-2012 , 01:09 PM
        Versus a TAG, this is a value bet like 100% of the time, right?

        $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        Hero (BB): $17.18 (171.8 bb)
        UTG: $11.84 (118.4 bb)
        MP: $13.28 (132.8 bb)
        CO: $10.55 (105.5 bb)
        BTN: $23.45 (234.5 bb)
        SB: $10.20 (102 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 9
        3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, SB folds, Hero calls $0.30

        Flop: ($0.85) 3 8 K (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

        Turn: ($1.85) Q (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN checks

        River: ($1.85) 6 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90
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        02-08-2012 , 03:35 PM
        i think its either a fold or a raise but calling would be burning money as you will see Qx or thinks like KT or something a lot. looks a lot like a queen tho so u can get him off it if ure tight enough (ur image that is)
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        02-08-2012 , 05:37 PM
        Hi, I'll post some hands if that's ok, first time posting, need some help reviewing.


        Villain is 65/14/1.8 54 hands, BTN is station aswell, blinds are nitty. Reason for my call is, basicly set mining, too small sample for fold to 3b on villain, and I was getting desperate, since i'm getting raped on river alot on stars, wanted to extract some value if possible. This is just one example, I'll post later more hands.

          Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11823282

          CO: $1.74 (87 bb)
          BTN: $1.89 (94.5 bb)
          SB: $2 (100 bb)
          BB: $1.58 (79 bb)
          UTG: $0.74 (37 bb)
          Hero (MP): $5.85 (292.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is MP with 5 5
          UTG raises to $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, CO folds, BTN calls $0.04, SB folds, BB calls $0.02

          Flop: ($0.17) 7 5 6 (4 players)
          BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.12, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.12

          Turn: ($0.41) K (2 players)
          UTG checks, Hero bets $0.22, UTG raises to $0.58 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.36

          River: ($1.57) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $1.57 pot ($0.05 rake)
          Final Board: 7 5 6 K 8
          UTG showed 9 K and won $1.52 ($0.78 net)
          Hero showed 5 5 and lost (-$0.74 net)



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          02-08-2012 , 06:46 PM
          as played ok. he was short so his stack was def going in the middle anyways (can't fold his river shove if he called on the turn).
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          02-08-2012 , 08:44 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Caige
          Hi, I'll post some hands if that's ok, first time posting, need some help reviewing.
          Very standard, except bet larger on the flop and turn. On the flop, I would bet just under pot to 0.15. On the turn your bet should ordinarily be close to pot on that superwet board. With this guy, you should just shove turn since he only has 9 bb behind if you pot it.

          Last edited by SCF; 02-08-2012 at 08:44 PM. Reason: P.S. Don't post results.
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          02-08-2012 , 09:08 PM
          Thanks guys for answers, guess I should work on my betting size, need to read up on that. I'm studying 2+2, micro guide from full ring post, but it's basically for 6max as well I guess. Oh, and I'm studying The Poker Blueprint by Tri, but I find 2+2 guides more useful for NL2 on stars, since of the russians, and I need to be complete nit in order to avoid weird stuff which started just recently

          Here's one more hand, I know it's shove on turn, but this hand just stunned me completely, Villain is 34/17/1, loosing station so far:





            Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11823652

            BB: $1.45 (72.5 bb)
            UTG: $0.73 (36.5 bb)
            MP: $1.87 (93.5 bb)
            CO: $3.02 (151 bb)
            Hero (BTN): $5 (250 bb)
            SB: $0.71 (35.5 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with A J
            UTG raises to $0.06, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.06, SB folds, BB calls $0.04

            Flop: ($0.19) 3 4 6 (3 players)
            BB checks, UTG bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, BB folds

            Turn: ($0.35) 7 (2 players)
            UTG checks, Hero bets $0.25, UTG calls $0.25

            River: ($0.85) 5 (2 players)
            UTG bets $0.34 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.34

            Spoiler:
            Results: $1.53 pot ($0.05 rake)
            Final Board: 3 4 6 7 5
            UTG showed 8 9 and won $1.48 ($0.75 net)
            Hero showed A J and lost (-$0.73 net)



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            02-08-2012 , 11:10 PM
            lol @ that hand...never saw a boarded str8 flush

            anyway you'd win 95% of the time...he rivered one of his 2 outs. easy call. plus he has 1/3 of pot behind, I doubt he wouldn't shove regardless of the river card.
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            02-09-2012 , 05:03 PM
              Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11837892

              CO: $5 (100 bb)
              BTN: $2 (40 bb)
              SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
              Hero (BB): $14.88 (297.6 bb)
              UTG: $2.33 (46.6 bb)
              MP: $10.77 (215.4 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 Q
              UTG calls $0.05, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

              Flop: ($0.15) 4 7 8 (3 players)
              SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10

              Turn: ($0.45) 2 (3 players)
              SB checks, Hero bets $0.25, UTG folds, SB calls $0.25

              River: ($0.95) 8 (2 players)
              SB checks, Hero bets $0.55, SB raises to $2.25 HERO?




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              Villain 34/27, afQ 37 over 70 hands.
              wtsd about 25% WSD 50%.

              No real reads, except that we had gotten into a few hands together where he had folded to some of my river shoves. His donk on the flop actually screamed 56 initially and my gut also said he had 56....
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              02-10-2012 , 10:09 AM
              PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

              MP ($25.97)
              Button ($24.42)
              SB ($28.03)
              Hero (BB) ($25)
              UTG ($25)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q
              UTG bets $0.70, 3 folds, Hero ?

              villain is unkown.. what ranges would you guys call and 3bet with facing a raise from utg early on ?
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              02-12-2012 , 12:19 AM
              Caige, raise flop. When you flop a flush, lots of cards will kill your action so just try to get it in.
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              02-12-2012 , 11:01 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Dizzy Fuzz
                Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11837892

                CO: $5 (100 bb)
                BTN: $2 (40 bb)
                SB: $5.02 (100.4 bb)
                Hero (BB): $14.88 (297.6 bb)
                UTG: $2.33 (46.6 bb)
                MP: $10.77 (215.4 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 Q
                UTG calls $0.05, 3 folds, SB completes, Hero checks

                Flop: ($0.15) 4 7 8 (3 players)
                SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10

                Turn: ($0.45) 2 (3 players)
                SB checks, Hero bets $0.25, UTG folds, SB calls $0.25

                River: ($0.95) 8 (2 players)
                SB checks, Hero bets $0.55, SB raises to $2.25 HERO?




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                Villain 34/27, afQ 37 over 70 hands.
                wtsd about 25% WSD 50%.

                No real reads, except that we had gotten into a few hands together where he had folded to some of my river shoves. His donk on the flop actually screamed 56 initially and my gut also said he had 56....
                If you think villain is somewhat decent at thinking then this line is pure value against exactly what you have. From villains perspective your range is stuff like 910 that missed or an 8 pretty much always. Thus a raise from him after u bet is expecting at least a call. Hence fold.
                If he s a fish then it's closer but I really think that this is A8+ here
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                02-13-2012 , 04:55 PM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by blakkman08
                If you think villain is somewhat decent at thinking then this line is pure value against exactly what you have. From villains perspective your range is stuff like 910 that missed or an 8 pretty much always. Thus a raise from him after u bet is expecting at least a call. Hence fold.
                If he s a fish then it's closer but I really think that this is A8+ here
                Yea, good analysis. Same conclusion I came to and I folded.
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