What's with the turn betsize?

If villain is a reg I'd be amazed if ur ahead OTR when he bets like this

Edit - bigger OTF too

Thanks for the reply. Usually a tournament player is what's up with sizing.

What approximate sizes would you recommend on the flop and turn?

Ah yeah that explains it then. Basically villain appears weak OTF and you have a value hand that is vulnerable so you want to get max value whilst charging villain to draw, or call with worse. If he has nothing he'll fold anyway, so make it as big as you think he'll call.

You could pot the flop but 75%+ is ok.

When he check/calls villain usually has a drawing hand or weak TP or 2ndP type hand.

So, bet big again OTT, same type of % as flop to charge his draws and basically for value against his range here.

Thanks - appreciated. And the river fold is standard without a good contradictory read?

Yeah I think so. Others may disagree coz of potodds, but at this level I just don't see villains making these plays with missed draws simply because people don't fold enough for it to be profitable in the long run imo

Unfortunately, because of ur sizing, you've let him come along cheap with what I expect is Tx

Don't lose sleep over it, but basically bet bigger for value, especially on boards villains will often continue with weaker hands

If anyone has time, it would be great to get a line check on this one: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...-spot-1338340/

Would it be better to raise the turn here? Check/call the river? bet/fold the river? Or bet, call the river?

Vs unknown tight player. Maybe I should have folded to the 4bet, it's just hard when it's a 4bet from the SB.

I think it is close and with small sizing ott villain is bluffing more frequently.

Low n dryish... Dude trapped the shiz outa me.
Anyone play AA/KK like this? ever? nit 250hands 17/13/2.8

couple of preflop situations, I'm not used to how loose randoms are getting it in pre:

4k hands on villain 15/9 have lots of notes

notes/reads are; flats all small pp in this oop spot pre. no set...
never squeezes air oop
never squeezes TT-AA hard. Always mins IP or oop
squeezes AK,AQ,AJ,AT hard.

My read was good and i know i'm 75% till the river.

Questions are;

1. Is it a mistake not to ship the turn?
2. When he gets there on the river and i know i'm crushed do i fold? I feel i have to pay to confirm my read so i can own villain another day maybe at higher stakes

Anybody?

I think sometimes its an AK that hopes you are FOS and can get a free card if they don't flop a pair.

Other times, you'll see JJ-99 because villain will feel, again, that you may not be strong all the time and that those hands are just too pretty to lay down but not strong enough to shove pre.

Overall, no need to really worry about it cuz if it happens then it means you're involved in a big pot with a fish (assuming 100bb stacks), which equals profit.

Hand #1: standard
Hand #2: cold 4bet from an unknown should solicit a quick fold imo.

1) nope, calling is fine.
2) yes, fold.

Villain:
185 hands
45/3/0
Fold to CB: 50% (12)
AG: Total-2.1 (Flop-1.5, Turn, 3.3, River 2.9)
WTSD: 37%

Looks fine. LOL at fish's river click-it-back, leaving $1.34 behind, but just call. You are always either chopping or losing, but you only need to be chopping 30% or more of the time here because you still win $9.37 of the $18.75 in the pot when you chop and its only $4 to call. Sometime villain has a slow-played QQ+ or 3x, but villain has more than enough Kx in his range to make up for it.

Villain is 28/24 over 25 hands.

I think maybe I should have made the turn a little bigger.

Its a big 4bet so im just 5bet shoving nearly always, especially without reads. Sizing needs to be bigger on flop and turn, as played fold river.

Villain unknown.

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35,640 trials (Exhaustive)

board: QJ5

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdAh	51.10%	18,163	96
AQ,KQ, QJ, QQ, JJ,55	48.90%	17,381	96

PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 66 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BB: 162 BB (VPIP: 21.88, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
UTG: 262.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
MP: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 143 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) Q J 5
MP bets 10 BB, Hero raises to 35 BB, MP raises to 90 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 55 BB

Interesting hand...




Vil is a little agro spesh IP.

1. He flats btn. I would expect him to 3bet any 2 broadways, 99 QQ KK AA etc etc

2. Then i donk half pot which he should see as weak and raise to protect all those hands on a wet board. but he just flats.

2. I DB donk the turn 9 and when he double floats i'm pretty sure he is drawing.

3. 3rd barrel is loose for half pot then he 3x's my raise.

He is a decent player from what i have seen and i imagine he would want to showdown w/ most Kx hands. JT would protect from draws on the flop & he is pretty agro so if he has a 9 he is pot building/ protecting the turn.

When he raises the river all he can have is busted spades or str8's w/ maybe weak K Q's.

Anyway i tank and decide to continue w/ the 9 story mostly confident he will fold his weak K Q's

Can i play this better?

Meh, I'd prefer a solid read that villain can raise river as a bluff before making moves like this tbh.

The fact that villain is aggro (is this both pre and post?) can be taken both ways here. If he has a FD would he raise that on the flop on a board which you will fold often, especially given your weak cbet sizing (not a donk bet, you are the initial raiser)?

I'd generally agree with you assessment by the river, although you beat all his weak Qx and air, so you're only bluffing him off his Kx, but is he ever folding that there at 10nl, especially given the FD missed? I wouldn't think enough to make this a profitable play. Also, if you think he's bluffing here then just call, as your shove only gets called by better hands and villain folds everything else.

I'm really surprised he raise/folded tbh, but i'd prefer a check/call line OTR as usually villains will bluff their air and check back non-nut hands, but just fold to a third barrel with hands we beat. So we beat everything other than Kx which he isn't folding often, so better to let him bluff than fold out hands we already beat imo.

Villain is 30/13/1.7. 69% fold to flop cbet, 4/4 call turn cbet.


Villain is probably calling with most Jx hands and I think he has more of those in his range than Ax hands.

Looks fine, assuming you are b/f on river.