An Unbelievably Long Guide to Hand-Reading. - Page 6 - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Say a player has a VPIP of 40% and a PFR of 20% and they limp in front of you. What sort of holdings do you expect them to have? Well, we know the player is willing to play with 40% of his hands; our sample range for this looked something like "any pair, any ace, any king, any two broadway, any suited connectors 32s+." But we can already refine this range some more: we know that with 20% of those hands, villain would have raised, and here he didn't.

Since no one mentioned this earlier. Isn't this wrong. Doesn't he mean he raises 20% OF ALL HANDS, and not 20% of just the hands he plays?

Just want make sure. It doesn't change the point he's making but I need to know if I am mistaken.

You're correct, but it was only bad wording. If you read the very next section it says:

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If we assume that villain raises with his top 20%, our sample range for that looks something like "any pair, any two broadway, any suited ace." So take THOSE hands out of his current range....

In other words, what I meant was "he's playing 40% of his hands, he's raising 20% of his hands, and he limped here. That means he probably has a hand in the top 40% but NOT the top 20%." I go on to explain roughly what that range looks like.

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11-15-2007 , 08:30 PM

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You're correct, but it was only bad wording. If you read the very next section it says:

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If we assume that villain raises with his top 20%, our sample range for that looks something like "any pair, any two broadway, any suited ace." So take THOSE hands out of his current range....

Pokey, I've always wondered if you actually read hands like this.

I haven't seen anyone who knows what 28% of hands looks like off the top of their head or knows what a 19/10 might be limping in with by using the difference between the numbers.

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11-16-2007 , 02:20 PM

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Benny Foldem

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This is the best strategy/make-you-think kind of thread I've read in months! (it could have something to do with the fact that the two main forums I read are NVG and B&M, but nonetheless it's still the best I've read in a while!)

Seriously though, thanks Pokey for posting this, I bookmarked it to read again in the future.

benny

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11-20-2007 , 05:41 PM

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p4594spa

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Super!

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11-20-2007 , 05:57 PM

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I've only been on 2+2 time for a short time now, but stuff like this is what is making me addicted! Thank you Pokey! This stuff is amazing, just genius. Thank you for this contribution. I am now going to search for everything else you
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11-23-2007 , 09:28 PM

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ninja bump

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10-11-2008 , 01:47 PM

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jeet kun do bump

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10-11-2008 , 01:56 PM

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ZaneKinetic

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I think it's time to read this again... god i love pokey.

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10-28-2008 , 05:29 PM

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DueceSiete

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Wow I am really Glad that someone just recently bump this! Great Post pokey, Very insightful. I've been wondering lately just how "readable" I am and now replaying a few hands in my head, it makes sense why i lost at showdown. Thanks Again pokey.

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10-29-2008 , 09:27 AM

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MoP_86

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Originally Posted by ZaneKinetic

I think it's time to read this again... god i love pokey.

you *******

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10-29-2008 , 10:35 AM

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ooohjoy

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Epic bump imo. Tyvm.

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10-30-2008 , 03:59 PM

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J9Suited

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I don't know why someone would take so much time and effort to write this, but I'm glad you did.

Didn't realise how bad I was at this until studied this a bit.

Thanks a mill

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01-02-2009 , 12:09 AM

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tumbo

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Great post.

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02-23-2009 , 08:06 AM

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robhimself

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Single most informative post I've read on this site thus far.

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02-23-2009 , 09:55 AM

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nolebeezy

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Do any other winning, thinking players disagree with a decent amount of OP's assertions? I guess the general stuff he says is ok, but the logic he uses to support his theories is pretty terrible.

nevermind.......if this is for full-ring then it makes alot more sense

Last edited by nolebeezy; 02-23-2009 at 09:56 AM. Reason: thought it was for 6max

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03-02-2009 , 05:53 AM

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hellfish123

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thx for that

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03-02-2009 , 07:14 AM

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Aquadougs

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Nice post.

Pokey, (or others): Was Sklansky wrong when saying zero level thinking is when you only think about your hand?

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03-02-2009 , 10:37 AM

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Gowardo

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Well written, as usual. Thanks Pokey.

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03-02-2009 , 10:41 AM

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cambraceres

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truly sick bump, Gtpitch would even be proud

Thanks pokey

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04-22-2009 , 12:57 PM

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ben$on

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Great post, thanks!

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07-18-2009 , 08:58 PM

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Men"the master"fan

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Just read it, good post.

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07-18-2009 , 10:19 PM

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Dragon Slayer

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Havent seen this one in a long time

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09-06-2009 , 06:27 PM

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Heartrazor

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Thanks Pokey. Steller post man.

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10-25-2011 , 03:24 PM

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utxeee

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I need to bump it just to thanks Pokey !!!

bye

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10-25-2011 , 03:29 PM

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epic thread bump

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