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01-06-2012 , 10:46 AM

Die Hard

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UTG is a whale 58/8
MP is 17/14 but isolates a wide range Vs fish (also he likes to 3bet iso raises wide)
BTN is a bit of a TAGfish running 25/18

I decided to 3bet As I thought MP/BTN would be folding alot with hands that have good equity against me and so I dont have to play a multiway pot with a good hand and low equity. is this a wise move?

$0.15/$0.30 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

CO: $38.63 (128.8 bb)
BTN: $50.94 (169.8 bb)
Hero (SB): $31.80 (106 bb)
BB: $30 (100 bb)
UTG: $16.56 (55.2 bb)
MP: $30 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T

UTG calls $0.30, MP raises to $1.20, CO folds, BTN calls $1.20, Hero raises to $5.85, BB folds, UTG raises to $16.56, 2 folds,

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01-06-2012 , 11:10 AM

Menshen

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how many hands of UTG stats du have?

i would fold here but that depends of table dynamics. if utg is total idiot playing all hands and we'd have decent sample size of hands i would call.

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01-06-2012 , 11:22 AM

Die Hard

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Originally Posted by Menshen

how many hands of UTG stats du have?

i would fold here but that depends of table dynamics. if utg is total idiot playing all hands and we'd have decent sample size of hands i would call.

Fold? We only need to be ahead 28% so he would have to have a range of AA-JJ only and never AK.

I'm more concerned with my 3bet what do you do in that spot after the limp/iso/call

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01-06-2012 , 11:24 AM

Dylanzesz

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Either play TT to setmine and flat the opening.
Or 3-bet with the plan to get it in vs the whale.

Last edited by Dylanzesz; 01-06-2012 at 11:40 AM. Reason: typo, retarded mistake

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01-06-2012 , 11:27 AM

Die Hard

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Originally Posted by Dylanzesz

You're 4 betting here. It's a difference.

If you're not willing to get it in vs the whale with TT, don't 4-bet.

Ok I didn't know the limper was considered a bet or an iso raise was considered a 3bet?????? so I'm 4betting here? is this what stat comes up in HEM?

Also this is not the question I asked in the OP, I am happy to get it in obi Vs the fish, I'm wondering if my (4bet??) is a wise move on this table.

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01-06-2012 , 11:38 AM

Dylanzesz

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lololol my bad.. thought UTG was raising... End of the working day.

As I said. If you're willing to get it in vs the fish it's fine to 3-bet imo.

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01-06-2012 , 11:40 AM

Die Hard

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Originally Posted by Dylanzesz

lololol my bad.. thought UTG was raising... End of the working day

Haha no probs, thought I was going crazy

So yer of the option of calling/4betting (*cough* 3betting) which do you prefer

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01-06-2012 , 11:41 AM

Die Hard

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Originally Posted by Dylanzesz

As I said. If you're willing to get it in vs the fish it's fine to 3-bet imo.

I guess we should be right? small sample size but I think we can happily call Vs his 4betting range and be happy if he flats our 3bet 55bb deep

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01-06-2012 , 11:46 AM

Dylanzesz

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I prefer calling, but think it's quite close.

If he's such a whale there are a lot more +ev spots then shoving TT vs his range.
Sure we're crushing him some of the time, but a lot of the time we're flipping.

Furthermore, we don't really know what BTN's range is here.

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01-06-2012 , 12:08 PM

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Menshen

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Originally Posted by Die Hard

Fold? We only need to be ahead 28% so he would have to have a range of AA-JJ only and never AK.

I'm more concerned with my 3bet what do you do in that spot after the limp/iso/call

how did you calculate that percentage?? in pot is alredy around 24 and you have to add 18 to call. so how?

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01-06-2012 , 12:47 PM

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Die Hard

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Originally Posted by Menshen

how did you calculate that percentage?? in pot is alredy around 24 and you have to add 18 to call. so how?

18? more like 10

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01-06-2012 , 12:51 PM

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Menshen

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Originally Posted by Die Hard

18? more like 10

mybad sry

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01-06-2012 , 01:01 PM

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Get it in whale will turn up with 22 - 99 sometimes and if mp iso's wide you could prolly take an A and or k from his range as well, expect to see a better hand sometime and other times you have him soul crushed

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01-06-2012 , 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylanzesz

Button is never cold calling behind with a premium here. Range is pp's and some sc's

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