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03-17-2024 , 03:55 PM
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Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
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Hero (BB): 152.5 BB
UTG: 29 BB
CO: 124 BB
BTN: 80 BB
SB: 107.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J A

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 7 6 J
SB bets 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB

Turn: (15 BB, 2 players) 3
SB bets 11 BB

hero?
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03-17-2024 , 04:28 PM
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Villain shows a lot of strength but blind vs blind your hand is "the nuts". Call again.
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03-17-2024 , 04:47 PM
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I'd call down. No reason to raise. If they check river, I'd bet.
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03-17-2024 , 10:37 PM
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I'd call down. No reason to raise. If they check river, I'd bet.
thank you
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03-18-2024 , 12:50 AM
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3B preflop to 9bb
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03-18-2024 , 11:08 AM
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this was another hand that felt very similar:
Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 103.5 BB
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 135 BB
BB: 95 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 6

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) T 6 5
SB checks, BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold

Turn: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (23.5 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
Hero shows T 6 (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 28%, Flop 84%, Turn 86%)
BB shows T J (Two Pair, Tens and Fives)
(Pre 72%, Flop 16%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 22.5 BB


i tried to not fold even though it seemed a little sketchy
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03-18-2024 , 11:09 AM
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3B preflop to 9bb
nah not my style
Last edited by billylean; 03-18-2024 at 11:10 AM. Reason: AJo isnt that good
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03-18-2024 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by billylean
nah not my style
Out of curiosity, what do you 3-bet in the BB facing a raise from SB?
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03-18-2024 , 11:23 AM
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Out of curiosity, what do you 3-bet in the BB facing a raise from SB?
depends i dont have a strict 3bet range but ive just found AJo to not be a great hand to call 3bets with so why would i routinely place 3bets with it...also im playing very unskilled players so it makes sense to play a more basic simplistic style
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03-18-2024 , 11:37 AM
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depends i dont have a strict 3bet range but ive just found AJo to not be a great hand to call 3bets with so why would i routinely place 3bets with it...also im playing very unskilled players so it makes sense to play a more basic simplistic style
I agree, calling a 3-bet with AJo can be bad (depending on position) but making a 3-bet in the BB vs. a SB raise is something different. But I've noticed you have your own ideas about how best to play so please carry on.
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03-18-2024 , 11:47 AM
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I agree, calling a 3-bet with AJo can be bad (depending on position) but making a 3-bet in the BB vs. a SB raise is something different. But I've noticed you have your own ideas about how best to play so please carry on.
cheers
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03-18-2024 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by billylean
Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) T 6 5
SB checks, BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold
Why just call?
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03-18-2024 , 05:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billylean
this was another hand that felt very similar:
Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 103.5 BB
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 135 BB
BB: 95 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 6

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) T 6 5
SB checks, BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold

Turn: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (23.5 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
Hero shows T 6 (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 28%, Flop 84%, Turn 86%)
BB shows T J (Two Pair, Tens and Fives)
(Pre 72%, Flop 16%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 22.5 BB


i tried to not fold even though it seemed a little sketchy
How can feel this hand similar?
Everything is different?
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03-18-2024 , 05:39 PM
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3B preflop to 9bb
I think there will be no big change in EV. You also need Ace broadway combo in your calling range so why 3b this hand.
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03-18-2024 , 05:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by billylean
this was another hand that felt very similar:
Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 103.5 BB
Hero (BTN): 100 BB
SB: 135 BB
BB: 95 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T 6

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 3 players) T 6 5
SB checks, BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, fold

Turn: (15.5 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (23.5 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
Hero shows T 6 (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)
(Pre 28%, Flop 84%, Turn 86%)
BB shows T J (Two Pair, Tens and Fives)
(Pre 72%, Flop 16%, Turn 14%)
Hero wins 22.5 BB


i tried to not fold even though it seemed a little sketchy
This is a mandatory raise on the flop.
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03-18-2024 , 05:52 PM
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I think there will be no big change in EV. You also need Ace broadway combo in your calling range so why 3b this hand.
Because at 2nl were people don't fold, imo lineral 3B is much better I would use (AJo+,KQo+, suited 9's, 77+)
Why you need Ace broadway combo in your calling range at 2nl?
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03-18-2024 , 06:13 PM
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Because i discuss and try to play solid poker. There are enough players at the micro's who pay attention and realize you raise only a linear range. To have such hands in your calling range is +EV for more than one reason. And if you wanna develop more skills to go up in stakes a decent strategy is a must.
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03-18-2024 , 06:54 PM
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There are enough players at the micro's who pay attention and realize you raise only a linear range. To have such hands in your calling range is +EV for more than one reason.
Strongly disagree, how many notes do you have on anybody that they 3B linear range? What reasons?
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03-18-2024 , 07:30 PM
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Strongly disagree, how many notes do you have on anybody that they 3B linear range? What reasons?
Strongly disagree???
To play solid and have a balanced strategy????
If i play 2NL i def would make some adjustment to types of player and there tendency. My base strategy would still be solid.
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03-19-2024 , 03:25 AM
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Strongly disagree about-''There are enough players at the micro's who pay attention and realize you raise only a linear range'' esp at 2nl
Idk how high is micro stakes in your mind...
For me- 2nl-10nl micro,25nl-50nl low, 100nl-500nl medium, +1knl high
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03-19-2024 , 07:20 AM
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Strongly disagree about-''There are enough players at the micro's who pay attention and realize you raise only a linear range'' esp at 2nl
Idk how high is micro stakes in your mind...
For me- 2nl-10nl micro,25nl-50nl low, 100nl-500nl medium, +1knl high
You think that the micro regs don't notice after 500/1000 hands you always 3b linear in this spot?
Some will and some don't i think.
I will rather 3b 65s in this spot and flat with AJo.
Against a total fish i will always 3b linear.
Also if you button click in this spot you will create bad tendency's and will be crushed a little bit higher.

In my opinion 50NL is becoming low stakes.
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03-19-2024 , 10:17 AM
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You think that the micro regs don't notice after 500/1000 hands you always 3b linear in this spot?
IMO 95% of micro regs that play 10nl and lower wont notice, cant say about 25nl(just moved up there).

Too busy figuring out their own strategy and noting fishes/whales mistakes.

But thats my opinion, have made thousand notes on fishes mainly preflop and some solid micro regs where tagged and never noted...
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03-19-2024 , 11:44 AM
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IMO 95% of micro regs that play 10nl and lower wont notice, cant say about 25nl(just moved up there).

Too busy figuring out their own strategy and noting fishes/whales mistakes.

But thats my opinion, have made thousand notes on fishes mainly preflop and some solid micro regs where tagged and never noted...
The problem is that you’re playing “wrong” in the same way most other micros regs do. People will assume that you don’t 3bet T2s and naturally exploit you.

Filter your DB for regs and see their overall fold to 3-bet BVB. I’m guessing it’s too high.
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03-19-2024 , 04:55 PM
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You think that the micro regs don't notice after 500/1000 hands you always 3b linear in this spot?
Some will and some don't i think.
I will rather 3b 65s in this spot and flat with AJo.
Against a total fish i will always 3b linear.
Also if you button click in this spot you will create bad tendency's and will be crushed a little bit higher.

In my opinion 50NL is becoming low stakes.
I was at 2nl just a year or 2 ago and I can tell you most don't. The ones that do and are smart enough to do anything about it don't stay at 2nl for long. I do agree about developing bad habits
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03-20-2024 , 04:06 AM
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Agree with PappePoker, TripleBerryJam, dude45.
For me till October I used Polar 3B that I learned from GTOw while playing 2nl,5nl,10nl GG rush&cash.
Then I switched to lineal 3B after having lesson with BrokenStars showing me that this pool overcalls.
Now i'm playing PartyPoker regular tables 10nl/25nl and after another BrokenStars lesson switching back to 3B polar.
I'm aware of both strategys and strongly believe OP esp at 2nl should 3B BvB linear.
That having said I given up on giving OP any advice.
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