Villain calls fairly wide pre and doesn't like to fold to cbets in 3bets pots. I didn't have any further specific reads, so I'm not gonna give you guys too much info, more looking for general first impressions. He can def raise cbets as a bluff though.


$200.00 No Limit Hold'em

BTN/SB: $315.50
Hero (BB): $503.70

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BB with J K
BTN/SB raises to $6, Hero raises to $20, BTN/SB calls $14

Flop: ($40.00) Q 3 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $20.00, BTN/SB raises to $48, Hero calls $28

Turn: ($136.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB checks

River: ($136.00) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $111.00

seems spewy

well, im new to HU, but ill give my opinion...

Q is the worst possible flop card for JK (without the T of course). You dont have 2 overcards, you dont have a straight draw, and Qxx board isnt as good of a C/R bluffing board as Axx. so id fold the flop.

HOWEVER, as played this rive bet is a very fishy bet. the range he is representing on the flop is Qx, 2 pair, set. by checking behind the turn, it is unlikely he has 2 pair or a set, since he has to figure you will call a turn bet after caling a check raise on a dry board. So his range is narrowed to Qx.

the range you are representing by calling flop and checking turn is weak Q, a huge hand you are slowplaying, and Ace high bluffcatcher. When you check the river you are no longer representing a possible huge hand, however with the ace, the bluffcatcher is now ahead of him. So his entire valuebetting range is exactly AQ, and you would expect TPTK would even get a turn bet. So... I mean, im not saying id vote for a hero call, but it seems like he certainly has a decent chance of bluffing, and you only gotta be right like 30% of the time.

mmmm...it would depend on timings tells and probably some betsizing info that i have, if both are unknown for me i would fold

i dont think its a bad spot to call at all. i'd be surprised if he had anything for value besides an occasional flush here or something ridiculous like A5, and he can certainly have worse straight draws that raised the flop but didnt want to barrel this turn.

i don't like to call when i don't beat all his bluffs

yea +1. I don't mind a hero call here, line makes no sense to me, his value range has to be an airball on the flop that hit something on the river, which is not too many hands at all..

what bluffs don't we beat??.

people have pairs here sometimes

You mean like a 77 that raised the flop and then potted river?. I don't see that too often.

I think we see something like a gutshot alot here. Raise flop, take a free card, and fire on a scary river.

i like call here

very interesting! this is automatic fold for me if i would play it, but i like you guy's thinking. i don't think a lot of pairs bluffs a river after check check turn like this, although ofcourse possible. Also extra tiltvalue added if we call and win be aware though - Also extra tiltvalue for him at you if he indeed did bluff with a pair and you make the call. :s

Not a bad spot at all to think about hero-calling. I guess A5 is the only hand tat would make some sense for him to have. Or could he have A9 here? Is he tricky enough to check any better hands on the turn?

havent you guys just thaught about a Q or a 9...ive seen people valuebetting second pair a lot

a Q that raises the flop generally bets the turn (and it probably should, as it's the best way of stacking my AK/TT/QT/whatever), and obv he's not valuebetting a 9 when i can have plenty of Qx and mb some Ax. the problem is that it's very hard for me to not have a pair on the Ace, but I guess he can try and make me fold TT on this card?

i really wouldn't call without better reads, seems pretty spewy. who's to say Ax is not in his flop raising range. Could also be 9x that raised flop for whatever reason and decided he wants you to fold now or smth along those lines.

And if he gave up his bluff on the turn, why on earth is he betting this river, that arguably helps your range more than his ?

i dno, it looks scary to a biggish part of my range?

you know best

he is bluffing because someone who is bad at handreading might fold Qx on the A river, which is the majority of his range.

or because "50NL lol"?

to back up my claim, this is 200nl against someone who wasn't described as good and seems to peel too light in 3bet pots (a minor indication of win every pot syndrome). i really think that we're gonna see what it looks like the majority of the time. yes, we'll see an ace occasionally (although if he hates folding to cbets we expect an automatic peel from most decent ace highs), but with his sizing and the fact that it's one of the two scariest looking cards in the deck this looks desperate to me.

call vs someone bad and fold vs someone good

what about someone in between?

look for any sort of tie breaker hand previously in the match. if they've shown you a hand that indicates they can't read hands very well, or don't understand pot control lines, or they have made tricky checks before, or they have been value cutting themselves a few times, or if they have missed value bets, or if they show they don't understand showdown value, or if they've turned hands into bluffs, etc

usually ppl in between screw up some/most of these things. the good players understand all of that plus more and take it a level further. the non-good players hose up some/all and makes the decision more clear based on what they've shown.

he said he didnt have any other reads, so instead i'd go by whether or not this guy is a reg or non-reg and how players at this stake level would generally view some of the things i mentioned above and go with that. if you think hes a reg but def not in the "good" camp then i'd prob call for info assuming i'm going to continue to get action from him. Any of the hands he shows up with whether it be spades, JT, Ax, Qx, 66, or whatever gives you pretty valuable info (esp as far as bet size relates to each) about how he thinks (or doesnt think) about each street and your range and his range will help you get a better framework for future situations. if you think hes some random that might hit and run you or be just clicking buttons then i might fold.

I think he can have Ax and random pps here

i really like this, everything i was thinking into words.