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03-14-2024 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
jesus christ.

There is no "difference of sites" this has already been proven 10x over. Every site is more or less equal.

No there is no mis-remembering. There is no pool difference.

Just accept you didn't know the spot! It's fine to be wrong.
You wrote for about 5 years that you are playing in the most difficult pool and I probably play very easy pools?

You were lying for 5 years just to make your bad results look better?
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03-14-2024 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Kendoo
You wrote for about 5 years that you are playing in the most difficult pool and I probably play very easy pools?

You were lying for 5 years just to make your bad results look better?
He plays on Ignition. If he's been telling you he's been playing in the most difficult pool for 5 years he's been bullshitting you for 5 years. Any ignition/bodog reg worth their salt would confirm it was the softest site for years until they surrendered their site to never ending collusion, RTA and bots.
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03-14-2024 , 12:18 PM
I think line is good but maybe hand selection not so much. We have some SDV vs river check backs and block his filds quite heavily.
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03-14-2024 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
jesus christ.

There is no "difference of sites" this has already been proven 10x over. Every site is more or less equal.

No there is no mis-remembering. There is no pool difference.

Just accept you didn't know the spot! It's fine to be wrong.
This isn't true at all. When you have a small, fenced pool, like Iggy, with MDA monkeys from Detox, Nachos etc, the pool is going to play drastically different than a pool like GG rush and cash, just due to alignment of incentives. This is pretty obvious.
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03-15-2024 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by InfiniteLand23456

Was wondering the same. It's not solver approved so what are we even arguing here? I get this monkey is MDA obsessed but we're not all sitting on 250m datamined hands.
Ya - if you look at this thread and most of his threads it's him posting a hand and then having condescending remarks to everyone like they're the idiot. If you have population data and feel your solvers have the right answer then there's no point in posting here - you have all the answers. What I'll say about solvers is they are obviously very valuable but they are coming to conclusions based off of opponent data that may or may not be accurate. In the end very few are playing close to "GTO" so data only goes so far - but if you truly live or die by the data then don't make these threads.
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03-15-2024 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
You can't say this with any conviction unless you know the turn spot.

Here we go:

Is turn over folded/under folded/GTO?

If you can't answer this you can't talk about the river intelligently.
I think people can see now what kind of person this doodoo guy is.
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03-15-2024 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT
This isn't true at all. When you have a small, fenced pool, like Iggy, with MDA monkeys from Detox, Nachos etc, the pool is going to play drastically different than a pool like GG rush and cash, just due to alignment of incentives. This is pretty obvious.
It discredits his results. As they should. That's why he's so hellbent on convincing people there's no such thing as ''softer sites''.
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03-15-2024 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MicroDonkYT
This isn't true at all. When you have a small, fenced pool, like Iggy, with MDA monkeys from Detox, Nachos etc, the pool is going to play drastically different than a pool like GG rush and cash, just due to alignment of incentives. This is pretty obvious.
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Originally Posted by InfiniteLand23456
It discredits his results. As they should. That's why he's so hellbent on convincing people there's no such thing as ''softer sites''.

He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe his comment was more about there not being a difference in how people play overall.

Obviously the fish:reg ratio will be different from site to site, but overall, a fish on Ignition will play similarly to a fish on ACR.

If the hand he posted is overfolded OTR, then it's going to be overfolded on any site.

That's why MDA works.
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03-15-2024 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere
He can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe his comment was more about there not being a difference in how people play overall.

Obviously the fish:reg ratio will be different from site to site, but overall, a fish on Ignition will play similarly to a fish on ACR.

If the hand he posted is overfolded OTR, then it's going to be overfolded on any site.

That's why MDA works.
Fair. That actually makes sense.
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03-15-2024 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by newguyhere

If the hand he posted is overfolded OTR, then it's going to be overfolded on any site.

That's why MDA works.
Am confused.
On other sites there are screen names.
Maybe this line is over folded to the 1st time you try it on someone, but it *should* be overfolded a lot less the 2nd time the same opponent sees it, and so on. And as soon as your opponent sees QdJ shown down, it should get overdefended.
So I don’t really believe we can make this kind of assertion across multiple sites and/or how it’s that relevant to making money long term on all normal poker sites (that have screen names).

I can understand MDA if you’re playing for example 100 or 200 RnC on GGpoker where the pool is very large and there are lots of different regs to contend with that you may not have samples on. But in general it’s usefulness seems pretty limited to me. Maybe that’s a topic for a different thread though.

Last edited by RalphWaldoEmerson; 03-15-2024 at 06:38 PM.
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03-16-2024 , 10:43 AM
I don't know much about MDA but I'm wondering how it applies to different board textures/run outs. You can say that the B/C/B line is over folded or something to that extent but of course flop/turn textures combined with how many opponents in the pot change things drastically. Given the thousands of combinations I don't see how data can be that specific but hey maybe it is.
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03-16-2024 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphWaldoEmerson
Am confused.
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
I don't know much about MDA
You need to know the:

B30C-C-F Frequencies vs the B30-B70C-F Frequencies and compare them to even begin to understand this spot and how you should attempt range construction OTF. (I'll give you a small hint - you should not be xring sets OTF)

Then once you know those frequencies you need to filter for runouts and see where the discrepancies are.

You don't have to guess or be unsure - we have the technology to know now.

I'm not very happy with how I've conducted myself the past week, and for that I apologize. But I also feel like I've helped a lot of people over the years on this forum and the constant trolls completely ruin the experience of me giving back.

This will be my last post for awhile, I'll still be coaching and if I like you, you can pm me and we can talk strategy.

Take care!
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03-16-2024 , 01:44 PM
This thread got way carried away but on to the hand

It looks fine to me - it's probably going to work a decent amount of the time.

I wouldn't take the line often but even if you get called it's not the end of the world, because he will call you lighter in the future.

I'd rather have a better card than the brick 3 to blast the river but a lot of 1 pair hands are gonna have a hard time calling unless they know you are a lunatic.

If I played the hand I would of just folded the flop and that would of been the end of the hand, but had I called and got that turn, I don't hate it.

Would rather have a hand like T64 than K64 to continue on because it seems to me like you are just trying to force a win by being fancy. Why did you want to call this flop to begin with? It seems like a spot where we are gonna lose more money over time than make it. Solver probably calls this spot a lot to this size on flop because it wants to see if it can get a diamond or pair. I just think it makes the hand really tough to play in the future.

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
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There is no "difference of sites" this has already been proven 10x over. Every site is more or less equal.
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I disagree with this - I played on globalpoker and beat the games up to NL and PLO 200 and started at NL50 before moving up slowly (This was before rakeback so maybe it's harder now) - On ACR I was struggling at NL50 and NL25 and basically break even over 50k hands. Maybe I ran good on Global and bad on ACR but to me the games were much easier on Global poker.

Last edited by djevans; 03-16-2024 at 02:02 PM.
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03-24-2024 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
jesus christ.

There is no "difference of sites" this has already been proven 10x over. Every site is more or less equal.

No there is no mis-remembering. There is no pool difference.

Just accept you didn't know the spot! It's fine to be wrong.

Pretty sure I've seen there is a pool difference for IP defender C-C-F. If I recall there was like a 10% difference in fold frequency vs. b70 for PS EU vs. PS PA. I'm by no means well studied on many lines, but just throwing in that I'm pretty sure I've seen pool differences, but maybe a niche spot and on average most spots aren't going to be difference pool to pool, site to site, etc.
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03-24-2024 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MDAmicros
Pretty sure I've seen there is a pool difference for IP defender C-C-F. If I recall there was like a 10% difference in fold frequency vs. b70 for PS EU vs. PS PA. I'm by no means well studied on many lines, but just throwing in that I'm pretty sure I've seen pool differences, but maybe a niche spot and on average most spots aren't going to be difference pool to pool, site to site, etc.
Is that filtered by reg/fish? I'm sure there's way more fish on PS PA which would skew spots a lot.
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03-24-2024 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
Is that filtered by reg/fish? I'm sure there's way more fish on PS PA which would skew spots a lot.
I'd have to go back and check, but pretty sure it's just the total pool so yea skewed makes sense. Still a pool difference though if it's vs. unknown haha
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03-24-2024 , 01:45 PM
Qd is a bad card to have because it blocks the combo draws that call turn however I would guess this is an underbluffed line. This combo plays really good as a c/r on the flop
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03-24-2024 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
Is that filtered by reg/fish? I'm sure there's way more fish on PS PA which would skew spots a lot.
depends on the stake. anything under 100nl is almost all fish, but at 100NL and higher there aren't too many actual fish on at any given time.
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03-26-2024 , 04:15 PM
Doodoo's a coach now! Great player and your threads and our discussions lead to awesome insights.
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03-26-2024 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
jesus christ.

There is no "difference of sites" this has already been proven 10x over. Every site is more or less equal.

No there is no mis-remembering. There is no pool difference.

Just accept you didn't know the spot! It's fine to be wrong.
No pool difference yet you're playing on one of the softest sites out there. Lol ok.
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03-26-2024 , 08:23 PM
Don't have a problem with DDP but one thing they seem to forget is we don't all have 10 milli+ hand DBs to work with. So maybe don't jump down someone's throat when they dont know they perfect exploit in an exact situation at a particular stake on 1 particular site.
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