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Straight facing gross donk shove on paired river Straight facing gross donk shove on paired river

11-27-2021 , 08:06 AM
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Ignition - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): 100.5 BB
CO: 103.88 BB
BTN: 67.34 BB
SB: 461.88 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 93.58 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 6 T K
BB checks, Hero bets 1.62 BB, BB raises to 5.86 BB, Hero calls 4.24 BB

Turn: (17.22 BB, 2 players) A
BB bets 12.28 BB, Hero raises to 36.74 BB, BB calls 24.46 BB

River: (90.7 BB, 2 players) T
BB bets 54.9 BB and is all-in, Hero?

I don't trust donk bettors much at all, but this would be a pretty daring bluff. Is this a bluff often enough to make the call?

Thanks for any help!
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11-27-2021 , 10:28 AM
just call turn
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11-27-2021 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by apricotjello
just call turn
What? Why?

This seems like an easy call to me?
Villain could have plenty of worse hands like AK, QT, JT, T9 and even a missed flush draw.
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11-27-2021 , 11:05 AM
This is 66 or KT like 100% of the time. Can't really fold though something something pot odds, something something 24% of the time.
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11-27-2021 , 11:13 AM
Call river even vs 66, KT, QJ range you have odds too call.
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11-27-2021 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Call river even vs 66, KT, QJ range you have odds too call.
Actually we don't, it's close, but nope.
Once we add any single combo we beat we do though.
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11-28-2021 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Yeodan
What? Why?

This seems like an easy call to me?
Villain could have plenty of worse hands like AK, QT, JT, T9 and even a missed flush draw.
I don't get why it makes much of a difference, but GTO Wizard does call the turn 60% of the time. I wanted to punish flush draws ASAP since so many players give up and don't barrel river.

I would be pretty surprised if AK, QT, JT, or T9 played this way. I would expect all of those except AK to fold the turn, and AK might not even be in range since he just called pre. But ya, missed flush draw... that is an issue for sure. GTO Wizard actually donk shoves a ton of missed flush draws here. It especially likes Ahxh since it blocks some of my boats.

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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru
This is 66 or KT like 100% of the time. Can't really fold though something something pot odds, something something 24% of the time.
In game, I really felt like I was smoked way more than 25% of the time.

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Call river even vs 66, KT, QJ range you have odds too call.
Wouldn't it be pretty weird for QJ to call the turn raise only to shove a river that weakens it so much? GTO Wizard thinks it is super close. My specific combo is supposed to win .21 BB by calling, but other QJ combos mix in some folding for reasons I don't understand.
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11-28-2021 , 06:04 AM
I ended up folding the river thinking that bluffs were going to be super rare. Villain had Qh5h lol. He was absolutely right that he is supposed to donk a ton on this river. The T is way better for him than it is for me. I was pretty surprised to see this one in the replayer, and I wondered if I just got unlucky to be up against this specific villain.

Interestingly, GTO Wizard hates my turn sizing. It wants me to raise to a very awkward 50 BB or so which leaves very little money left on the river. I sometimes see GTO Wizard choose these very non-geometric sizings on the turn when protection is important. It makes me wonder if I am doing something wrong by choosing geometric sizings almost always. Like here, it thinks that my sizing is almost 1 BB worse than going bigger. But it also doesn't like shoving. Weird.
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11-28-2021 , 06:18 AM
Well your turn raise is giving villain pretty great odds to continue with pretty much any draw.
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11-28-2021 , 07:53 AM
gross spot, but it's not like you have many better hands with which to call anyways

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11-28-2021 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded


Wouldn't it be pretty weird for QJ to call the turn raise only to shove a river that weakens it so much? GTO Wizard thinks it is super close. My specific combo is supposed to win .21 BB by calling, but other QJ combos mix in some folding for reasons I don't understand.
In last HH you posted SB x/jam with weak trips, so there is enough fish in the sea to never make hero folds in this pool.
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11-28-2021 , 07:17 PM
i think if you need a heuristic and dont want to call all straights itll work if u call with fulhouses / straights w/o a heart and fold straights w a heart (potentially opens up desperation bluff combos like the one here)
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11-28-2021 , 07:19 PM
If it was a larger percentage of the pot I’d think about it instead of snap calling

Could be JT or QT, or a total airball, as you saw (or something like A5)
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