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04-22-2009 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
Looks good so far. Might take a peak at your 3bet range. Appears to be a little high but I may be wrong on this. Nice red line!!! You must teach me the art of a good redline
You are right. My 3bet is 6% and I do occasionally 3 bet people light if they have a PFR of above 15% or so, and I am in position with a reasonable hand. I know this is probably a leak at 5NL where no one else seems to 3 bet light, but I am trying to get my game geared up for $25 NL, which I hope to make my home. It seems like light 3 betting is more prevalent there, but I might be taking it too far and not using it effectively.

As for the red line. I wouldn't be concerned about it all. Your green line is the only one that matters at the end of the day. With that being said, the things that I do that help my red line are:

I punish limpers a lot more than my fair share. For example, if I am in the small blind, and there are 5 limpers, I will put out a raise to 9BB or so with the top and bottom of my holdings to scoop up all the practically dead money.

Most of the pots I play, I have the initiative postflop, and cbet 73%, but always look at board texture, number of opponents, fold to cbet %, and relevant history before I fire one out.

My turn and river cbets are 69% and 78% respectively. Although I do 2 and 3 barrel, I always try have a rational and plan for the villains actions, not just say, "since they didn't fold to my flop c-bet, maybe if I bet more they will fold."

I will occasionally float the flop to steal on the turn, but more often, if I have air or a semi-bluff type hand, I will check raise the flop if I think my opponent is cbetting a flop he missed.

However, the biggest thing you can do to help your red line is push whenever you find yourself in a tough spot. Your green and blue lines might suffer terribly, but I guarantee a sexy red line.
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04-22-2009 , 06:43 AM
No matter how hard I try I cant get away from playing a 8/5/2 (24-tabler). What stats should I be aiming for at NL25 assuming I want to be TAG and what range should I be playing and from what postions?

Also what kind of winrate should a winning NL25 player expect?
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04-22-2009 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
You are right. My 3bet is 6% and I do occasionally 3 bet people light if they have a PFR of above 15% or so, and I am in position with a reasonable hand. I know this is probably a leak at 5NL where no one else seems to 3 bet light, but I am trying to get my game geared up for $25 NL, which I hope to make my home. It seems like light 3 betting is more prevalent there, but I might be taking it too far and not using it effectively.

As for the red line. I wouldn't be concerned about it all. Your green line is the only one that matters at the end of the day. With that being said, the things that I do that help my red line are:

I punish limpers a lot more than my fair share. For example, if I am in the small blind, and there are 5 limpers, I will put out a raise to 9BB or so with the top and bottom of my holdings to scoop up all the practically dead money.

Most of the pots I play, I have the initiative postflop, and cbet 73%, but always look at board texture, number of opponents, fold to cbet %, and relevant history before I fire one out.

My turn and river cbets are 69% and 78% respectively. Although I do 2 and 3 barrel, I always try have a rational and plan for the villains actions, not just say, "since they didn't fold to my flop c-bet, maybe if I bet more they will fold."

I will occasionally float the flop to steal on the turn, but more often, if I have air or a semi-bluff type hand, I will check raise the flop if I think my opponent is cbetting a flop he missed.

However, the biggest thing you can do to help your red line is push whenever you find yourself in a tough spot. Your green and blue lines might suffer terribly, but I guarantee a sexy red line.
Interesting theories. I like them. Sounds like you are definatly on the right track. I DONT look forward to seeing you at the tables at $25nl.
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04-22-2009 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Jedi Speed Racer
No matter how hard I try I cant get away from playing a 8/5/2 (24-tabler). What stats should I be aiming for at NL25 assuming I want to be TAG and what range should I be playing and from what postions?

Also what kind of winrate should a winning NL25 player expect?
instead of waiting for a reply, I went to the tables and tested out what I thought the answer to this question was gonna be. I played 4250 hands, and ran a 12/9/3.5 !!!!!!!!!! I was also up 2 BIs, it was alot more fun and action packed, and time seemed to fly. Im gonna keep playing like this to see where it goes.
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04-22-2009 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jedi Speed Racer
instead of waiting for a reply, I went to the tables and tested out what I thought the answer to this question was gonna be. I played 4250 hands, and ran a 12/9/3.5 !!!!!!!!!! I was also up 2 BIs, it was alot more fun and action packed, and time seemed to fly. Im gonna keep playing like this to see where it goes.
12/9/3.5 is a solid respectable TAG style that will prove to be very profitable at $25nl. As far as WR that can only be determined by you. Just practice good poker and the rest will come.
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04-22-2009 , 05:49 PM
What the hell? This can't be good?

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04-22-2009 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedi Speed Racer
No matter how hard I try I cant get away from playing a 8/5/2 (24-tabler). What stats should I be aiming for at NL25 assuming I want to be TAG and what range should I be playing and from what postions?

Also what kind of winrate should a winning NL25 player expect?
I know it sounds donkish, but literally make a table of hands you want to play in various positions (early, middle, late) and more lists with limpers in front or raises in front. Then follow it. It will force you play more hands.

The problem with doing it without a guide is that you end up falling back into your own style until you get used to it.
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04-22-2009 , 06:52 PM
@Gomery

Post your stats, and continue to read the stickies, CoTW's, etc
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04-22-2009 , 10:27 PM
Hey any feedback as to why I keep getting owned at 50NL would be appreciated.





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04-22-2009 , 11:11 PM
@Jamos

You could go to showdown a little more and you have a very narrow 3b'ing range which may be exploited.

All I can think of, sorry.
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04-23-2009 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jamos
Hey any feedback as to why I keep getting owned at 50NL would be appreciated.





Looks like you might be a bit over aggresive on the flop and then check fold a lot on the turn. Your ATS% is quite high also. This will easily be exploited at the $50nl by any thinking reg.
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04-23-2009 , 10:53 AM






Should it be like this or have I find a major leak?
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04-23-2009 , 11:20 AM
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Should it be like this or have I find a major leak?
Not entirely sure what you are asking. Please give more detail on your quesiton.
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04-23-2009 , 11:48 AM
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Not entirely sure what you are asking. Please give more detail on your quesiton.
Well, I found this 2 players on flop and no raise preflop graph, and wonderd if it's normal? Going straigt downwards?

Could also use some comments about the stats but thats my main question.

Thanks in advance =)
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04-23-2009 , 03:51 PM
All graphs/stats are all from 6max NL. 100k hands of 10NL, 40k of 25NL, and 10k of 50NL:









EDIT: My question is simply: Can you spot any room for improvement or anything I'm doing wrong?

Last edited by nawledge4pwr; 04-23-2009 at 04:18 PM.
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04-23-2009 , 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
Looks like you might be a bit over aggresive on the flop and then check fold a lot on the turn. Your ATS% is quite high also. This will easily be exploited at the $50nl by any thinking reg.
Thanks what numbers should I be aiming for?
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04-23-2009 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamos
Thanks what numbers should I be aiming for?
Shoot for an ATS% of 30-35% IMO.
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04-24-2009 , 07:53 AM
Didn't know if I should quote or make a new post, so I just made a new cause I think it's easier if you dont have to scroll up and down.

Theese are my stats:
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But this is my main question, is it normal for thoose graphs to be pointing downwards like this?





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04-24-2009 , 09:13 AM
Can someone plz explain 'ev adjusted' and 'ev $ diff' to me?

I'll give a hand as an example, if you need the full hand from preflop to riv i'll post that too, but here's an edited version.

hero AhAc
villain AsKs
100bb went into the flop from myself and villain plus 19bb.

Flop was 9d6sTs, money won after rake was 104.4bb, the 'EV $ diff' stat showed -75.9bb and my equity on the flop was 62.3%.

Thanks
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04-24-2009 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by majorcrisp
Can someone plz explain 'ev adjusted' and 'ev $ diff' to me?

I'll give a hand as an example, if you need the full hand from preflop to riv i'll post that too, but here's an edited version.

hero AhAc
villain AsKs
100bb went into the flop from myself and villain plus 19bb.

Flop was 9d6sTs, money won after rake was 104.4bb, the 'EV $ diff' stat showed -75.9bb and my equity on the flop was 62.3%.

Thanks
I would guess that 'EV $ diff' is a measure of the difference between how much you actually won and how much you will win long term (your EV), the Adjusted EV would therefore mean the amount of money you will win longterm, regardless of any specific outcome.
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04-24-2009 , 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckyStraights
I would guess that 'EV $ diff' is a measure of the difference between how much you actually won and how much you will win long term (your EV), the Adjusted EV would therefore mean the amount of money you will win longterm, regardless of any specific outcome.
So essentially it's stating I will win 104.4bb (actual winnings) minus 75.9bb for a long term EV of 28.5bb in this instance?
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04-24-2009 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by majorcrisp
Can someone plz explain 'ev adjusted' and 'ev $ diff' to me?

I'll give a hand as an example, if you need the full hand from preflop to riv i'll post that too, but here's an edited version.

hero AhAc
villain AsKs
100bb went into the flop from myself and villain plus 19bb.

Flop was 9d6sTs, money won after rake was 104.4bb, the 'EV $ diff' stat showed -75.9bb and my equity on the flop was 62.3%.

Thanks
EV$Diff is the diffrence between the expected outcome and the actual outcome of the hand. Adjusted $EV is meerly the diffrence between your actual winnings +/- your EV$Diff.
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04-24-2009 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
EV$Diff is the diffrence between the expected outcome and the actual outcome of the hand. Adjusted $EV is meerly the diffrence between your actual winnings +/- your EV$Diff.
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Originally Posted by LuckyStraights
I would guess that 'EV $ diff' is a measure of the difference between how much you actually won and how much you will win long term (your EV), the Adjusted EV would therefore mean the amount of money you will win longterm, regardless of any specific outcome.
OK both, thanks very much for your help. GL
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04-24-2009 , 12:45 PM
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OK both, thanks very much for your help. GL
np. Glad to help.
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04-24-2009 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamos
Hey any feedback as to why I keep getting owned at 50NL would be appreciated.





Juding from your stats, you bet really often but still have an AF of 4! This means you are checking way too often and especially FOLDING too often! This is too explotable.
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