i am looking to move to 25PL/NL, i am currently grinding 10PL at FTP, usually 8-6 tabling, here my stats. very nitty, however the avrg players/flop on 10PL always above 35%, and the avrg pots are huge compered to other limits. so i limp called alot in EP for set value, as there almost no serious tags to exploit me. as the graph shows, was sick of bad beats and variance at some points, but managed to handle it. comments appreciated.

- Open up more in LP, this is where you make the $.
- Cut down on the limp-calling in EP.
- Try to work on the stealing (this will bring up the PFR in LP and Att to steal).

apparently, at 10PL the blinds never fold to steals.

But at 25NL they will most of the time

I would like to post my stats but I only have 10k hands at PS 25nl. I can only manage to play like 500 hands a day. How much longer should I play before posting the stats?

It cant hurt to post them now. While it's difficult and often foolhardy to put much faith in conclusions based on a 10K hand sample, for most newer players there will be some leaks that will be easily identified with such a small sample. Most common are lack of positional awareness, overall aggression, playing too loose from the blinds and early position, and too tight in late position.

So what's the number if 10k hands aren't enough?
And why?

The more hands, the more accurately we can analyse.

Why 10k is on the lowside is because you can be running hot, getting good cards for like 6k hands and then get average hands for a few k hands and really don't have any ****ty sessions at all. Or the opposite may happen. And the stats will reflect this.

mijat, you are entering far too many pots in early position. Raise or fold UTg and UTG+1 for the most part (an occasional limp is fine).

Your ccpf% is far too high in all positions other than the co and the button.

this is not a problem; it just allows you to make more money.

$10 players are going to play their hands in a straightforward manner. So if you raise the button and get called by the big blind, the first thing you have to realize is that most of the time the BB is going to check to you and fold to a c-bet, because most flops miss most players.

If you whiff the flop and the villain calls your flop c-bet, you can safely shut down, knowing he started with a hand or made one.

Remember to check the villain's fold to c-bet stat--if it is high, c-bet regardless of whether you hit the flop; if it is low (consider not stealing in the first place based on his other stats) but check behind a lot if you miss the flop--you can only bet flops here that look like they must have missed him, too).

One of the major leaks $10 players have is that they overvalue hands such as mid pair and bottom pair, especially in button v. blind battles. So you have to go for max value when you hit the flop, and lose the minimum when the villain does and you don't. The difference is your button win rate.

The bottom line: "stealing," is a bit of a misnomer. We really don't want the blinds to fold preflop. We usually want a caller who will then fold on the flop or later. The difference between button play and early position play is that on the button we are counting on our position to win the hand for us more often than not--we are using the information of his postflop action to win as much as possible and lose as little as possible. We can do this because as the player last to act, we have ultimate control over the size of the pot, and we have more information than the villain does. When he acts after the flop, he doesn't know what we will do. Similarly, on each street, we have one more action of his to evaluate than he has for us. Conversely, in EP, we have to rely on our hand strength to make us money, because of the positional disadvantage.

go ahead and post them. we'll tell you where our analysis is affected by the sample size. 10k is an ok sample for the overall stats; it is the position stat analysis that will more likely suffer from potential unreliability. One way to partially offset this unreliability is if you have HEM, you can post a screenshot graph that shows your SD winnings, your non-sd winnings and your all in equity.

Hey guys. First stats post. Due to tech. difficulties I have to post these manually. So sorry if it doesn't look pretty.

Also, I went through a huge downswing when I got pt3 for the first 66 sessions (-25.38 Nov) and am on my way back up the past 169 sessions (+85.41 Dec). If that matters.

2NL
HANDS= 11,000
AMT WON= $52.56
BB/100= 11.95

• VPIP - 28.32
• PFR - 9.44
• W$WSF - 35.48
• WTSD - 29.46
• W$SD - 46.56
• AF - 1.31
• AFq - 35.99
• 3bet - 3.19
• Fold 3bet-69.03
• Att Steal -26.91
• Fold BB to Steal - 56.58
• Fold SB to Steal - 64.38

p----HANDS---VPIP---PFR-----AMT WON

B----1,447----36.35--16.16----24.85
1----1,404----26.28--11.47----2.73
2----1,374----22.27--7.57-----8.72
3----1,356----22.12--6.12-----3.70
4----1,271----20.77--5.43-----8.08
5----1,029----20.12--5.35-----2.60
6-----503-----17.69--3.38-----17.08
BB---1,439----21.89--9.17-----4.13
SB---1,477----52.40--11.65---11.86

I know it's a minimal sample, but any advice/input will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks much,
-jon

this has 300 hands of 10nl too...

I understand that, but is it about poker that makes it need such a large sample? Sports stats never need that kind of sample, for example.

Quoting the man himself

i am using poker office ... and now i started to use HM

so can anyone review my stats and help me with what this lines mean
and what should i change in my game ....

i play 6 tables 10nl and occasionally 1 20nl to get used to bigger blinds

Right, but that's still not an explanation on why I need 10k hands to have meaningful stats.

I understand that the adequate sample size depends on the convergence properties of the sequence of numbers we're studying.

However, other sequences of numbers do not need such high sample sizes, and they don't seem to be converging any faster. Examples: bastkeball shooting averages, QB completion percentages, batting averages, etc.

See what I mean?

I have been 16-Tabling Full Ring (to try it) and after 3k hands not happy with my results and feel like there is some massive leaks. I stacked off KK vs AA and AK to 222 on AQ2 as my big losses.

If I play less tables I play to many marginal hands 16 tabling keeps me concentrating. This is all on FTP btw and 10% rake sucks I know but trying to learn mass multi-tabling without losing whole bankroll.

Having trouble seeing your screens.

this is mainly 24 tabling full ring and 3-6 tabling 6 max

PLZ someone help me

Sorry about them being hard to read, made resolution bigger this time.

Small sample but it looks like you're pretty much playing the same hands in all positions. Tighten up a bit in early position and loosen up a lot on CO & Button.

Other than that looks like you may just be running bad because it looks like you should be a winner at this level.

+1

You are not positionally aware at all, tighten up in EP and loosen up as you get closer to the BTN.

I'll give it a go

- You are playing to many hands from SB. Read the following post regarding blinds play:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=489
- I would also start raising a bit more preflop especially from CO and BTN.
- And tighten up slightly from EP.
- I think you are to passive postflop when you are in position. You are more aggresive from EP than LP. You should in late possition fire a CBet HU almost all the time when you raised preflop IMO.
- Read the stickies and this thread , there are plenty of good information.