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01-08-2013 , 11:20 AM
It may be that fpdb's fold to 3bet is different from pt3's by counting only the cases where you raise-fold pre.
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01-08-2013 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Cangurino
It may be that fpdb's fold to 3bet is different from pt3's by counting only the cases where you raise-fold pre.
Ah, that'd be it.
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01-08-2013 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cangurino
It may be that fpdb's fold to 3bet is different from pt3's by counting only the cases where you raise-fold pre.
I'm pretty sure its the same, I also use fpdb, my fold3bet is 73, which sounds about right for me.
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01-08-2013 , 06:36 PM
Huh, if I am folding to 3bets that little then that could be quite a big leak. Will investigate. Either way, it means I'm continuing against 3bets with 8-10% of my range, which seems far too wide.
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01-08-2013 , 10:06 PM




I am a beginner. Started playing NL10 on PS last month. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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01-09-2013 , 12:38 AM

I plan on taking some shots in 10NL this weekend. Figured I'd get some feedback for my 4NL play.

Around 13k or so hands during that downswing I drastically changed my game after realizing the importance of position and getting over the "OOOH THIS IS PRETTY, IT'S K10SOOTED UTG" mentality. I'm glad I posted that 4NL Downswing thread. I'm still getting back into things, but feel very comfortable with my style of play now. I feel like I'm running absolutely horrible. The last few sessions would of tilted me within the first 30 minutes with how bad I was running, if it was a week ago. I've now accepted the fact that when I'm getting it in as a 90/10 favorite on the turn for stacks, it's not a guaranteed win and it's definitely feeling like a 30/70 lately lol. Get hit hard enough, repeatedly, and you don't feel it anymore I guess. Poker is helping my exercise routine as it requires me to have some kind of stress relief outlet lol.

Can someone let me know how to upload my stats from HEM2 if that's possible? I've been messing around a little and easily found how to upload the graph but couldn't get the stats.
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01-09-2013 , 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpx
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I am a beginner. Started playing NL10 on PS last month. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Looks pretty good off those stats. First impression is that maybe you are defending your BB too much and I just wonder what your flop cbet is as off those stats if I am reading it right it seems incredibly low.
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01-09-2013 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by NickHalden
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Can someone let me know how to upload my stats from HEM2 if that's possible? I've been messing around a little and easily found how to upload the graph but couldn't get the stats.
If you get stuck I usually use CTRL+Print and paste then edit in something like Paint then upload it to my usual place.
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01-09-2013 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MartL
Looks pretty good off those stats. First impression is that maybe you are defending your BB too much and I just wonder what your flop cbet is as off those stats if I am reading it right it seems incredibly low.
My overall flop cbet is around 87% which also seems high.
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01-09-2013 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bumpx
My overall flop cbet is around 87% which also seems high.
It is. Way too high.
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01-09-2013 , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpx
My overall flop cbet is around 87% which also seems high.
Ah right I must be reading it wrong. As Hicham says its way too high, you are a good guy to float and then either bet the turn when checked to if you check the turn a lot or bluff raise the turn when you bet if you bet a lot. Given you are playing something like 22% your range on the flop is pretty weak a lot of the time cbetting so much.
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01-09-2013 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by MartL
Ah right I must be reading it wrong. As Hicham says its way too high, you are a good guy to float and then either bet the turn when checked to if you check the turn a lot or bluff raise the turn when you bet if you bet a lot. Given you are playing something like 22% your range on the flop is pretty weak a lot of the time cbetting so much.
Thanks. I will tighten my range.
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01-09-2013 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by NickHalden

I plan on taking some shots in 10NL this weekend. Figured I'd get some feedback for my 4NL play.

Around 13k or so hands during that downswing I drastically changed my game after realizing the importance of position and getting over the "OOOH THIS IS PRETTY, IT'S K10SOOTED UTG" mentality. I'm glad I posted that 4NL Downswing thread. I'm still getting back into things, but feel very comfortable with my style of play now. I feel like I'm running absolutely horrible. The last few sessions would of tilted me within the first 30 minutes with how bad I was running, if it was a week ago. I've now accepted the fact that when I'm getting it in as a 90/10 favorite on the turn for stacks, it's not a guaranteed win and it's definitely feeling like a 30/70 lately lol. Get hit hard enough, repeatedly, and you don't feel it anymore I guess. Poker is helping my exercise routine as it requires me to have some kind of stress relief outlet lol.

Can someone let me know how to upload my stats from HEM2 if that's possible? I've been messing around a little and easily found how to upload the graph but couldn't get the stats.
Did the print screen and threw it into paint and uploaded it now. Are there any other stats that you recommend I throw in?



#1 I think I was 22/9 through 15k hands and made some adjustments. I think the gap between VPIP/PFR is too much, correct me if I'm wrong. Now VPIP is dropping daily and PFR is going up slowly from tightening up. I've been limping pocket pairs in EP which is imo not going to cut it as I move up. I also limp behind with suited connectors when 2+ insanely bad fish limp in first.

#2 I assume my Steal % is alright. It would be higher if there weren't so many 40-60BB shortstacks in the blinds.

#3 I think my flop c-bet could be a tad high, not quite sure. There are some spots where I'm c-betting on meh boards into calling stations which I can't imagine is good.

About graphs since I'm new to them, what can you tell from them? Can you get a general idea if you're running like god or crap? Where's that red and blue line supposed to be?

Any feedback is appreciated.
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01-09-2013 , 06:01 PM
The green line is supposed to be above the white line...

As for pocket pairs: At NL2 and NL5 you can just raise them all in all positions, and stack off when you hit, and check-fold when you miss. When you move up you will encounter opponents able to fold top pair, so you might need to fold the smaller pairs in early position.
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01-09-2013 , 08:01 PM
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@rapidesh you play nl10 fr right? don't play such a complicated style on this level... it's just so easy to win money with close to abc poker (even on nl25). don't think about 4 and 5 betting light. you don't need that yet.

and what the f***, this style in zoom makes it even worse :/
yeah, thanks for the advice,
i'm playing more solid now, cut down some 3-betting, stealing and 4-betting light,

doing a lot better now.

what do you guys think about this graph?
it's my NL10 life graph, am i improving?
could this be only variance?
can i be confident enough to beat NL25 with those results?

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01-09-2013 , 10:48 PM


My overall nl10 results so far. Thought I will get this graph in before the variance kills me lol. Already seen a 10 BI downswing within 2500 hands.
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01-10-2013 , 11:30 AM
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yeah, thanks for the advice,
i'm playing more solid now, cut down some 3-betting, stealing and 4-betting light,

doing a lot better now.

what do you guys think about this graph?
it's my NL10 life graph, am i improving?
could this be only variance?
can i be confident enough to beat NL25 with those results?

btw, my last 100k hands showed me a profit of 5BB EV/100 and 4BB/100 effective.

can i use that sample to base on?
or should i take all hands i played?
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01-10-2013 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
btw, my last 100k hands showed me a profit of 5BB EV/100 and 4BB/100 effective.

can i use that sample to base on?
or should i take all hands i played?
If you changed your style during those 100k hands why would you use your older stats?
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01-12-2013 , 07:56 AM
Hi All, I would really welcome some feedback on my last 8 weeks stats @ 5nl.

Thinking stepping up to 10nl soon and would like to plug leaks first.




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01-12-2013 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by NickHalden
Did the print screen and threw it into paint and uploaded it now. Are there any other stats that you recommend I throw in?



#1 I think I was 22/9 through 15k hands and made some adjustments. I think the gap between VPIP/PFR is too much, correct me if I'm wrong. Now VPIP is dropping daily and PFR is going up slowly from tightening up. I've been limping pocket pairs in EP which is imo not going to cut it as I move up. I also limp behind with suited connectors when 2+ insanely bad fish limp in first.

#2 I assume my Steal % is alright. It would be higher if there weren't so many 40-60BB shortstacks in the blinds.

#3 I think my flop c-bet could be a tad high, not quite sure. There are some spots where I'm c-betting on meh boards into calling stations which I can't imagine is good.

About graphs since I'm new to them, what can you tell from them? Can you get a general idea if you're running like god or crap? Where's that red and blue line supposed to be?

Any feedback is appreciated.
You know you are allowed to fold to 3bets right? Seriously folding to 3bet 40% of the time is going to get you hammered when people are not 3betting light that often.

Your AF is too low which suggests you are calling too much and also your WTSD maybe a touch high which suggests you get there with hands that are beat too often.
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01-12-2013 , 09:28 PM




some help would be appreciated, losing in the last 30k hands
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01-13-2013 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MartL
You know you are allowed to fold to 3bets right? Seriously folding to 3bet 40% of the time is going to get you hammered when people are not 3betting light that often.

Your AF is too low which suggests you are calling too much and also your WTSD maybe a touch high which suggests you get there with hands that are beat too often.
Yeah... I was actually looking at this yesterday. Googled it and /facepalmed when I realized folding to 3bet 40% of the time is HORRIBLE. I can easily understand the AF being low as I know I play some of my draws too passive which I'm changing as well, now that I'm comfortable with my BR. I don't know if you remember my "Downswings in 4NL?" thread, but I was playing bad and also getting coolered before I switched my game up. I then decided I wasn't comfortable with raising on all my draws with my bankroll at the time and adopted a more passive line.

Lots of tweaks to be made to my game. Thank god I'm still making some profit while not playing perfect.
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01-14-2013 , 04:32 PM
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some help would be appreciated, losing in the last 30k hands
Im going to say there is at least some run bad here, as 23% wtsd is low and 47% w$SD is really low for that WTSD%.
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01-14-2013 , 05:10 PM
Low wtsd and low w$sd could also be a sign of too much aggression. Basically you make everyone fold who doesn't beat you.
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01-14-2013 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cangurino
Low wtsd and low w$sd could also be a sign of too much aggression. Basically you make everyone fold who doesn't beat you.
Yeah thats kinda what I was thinking, seeing as I'm losing on showdowns...any advice on where to find these kind of spots? Slowplaying more with sets etc?

Also not winning any money on full house/flush/straights, could I in any way be playing them wrong or could I be running bad over that kind of a sample?
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