makes sense - thanks

While it is possible for a winning player to have a 10 BI downswing, for somebody new at cash games it is far more likely that they are simply not good enough. Move down and see if you can turn it around.

He's saying that the problem is probably YOU.

It would also help if you posted your statistics as described in the OP so we can check if there are any obvious leaks in your play.

HI, I've been playing for about a year more or less with decent volume and I've been learning in the process. These stats include all my hands (these at the beggining as well, involving more obvious leaks such as limping etc. so there might be skewed a bit. I'm playing a 13/11 for the past months.)

I'm playing at 4NL and a bit at 10NL but haven't moved up yet bc I had no rb deal and I am also a bankroll nit so I wanted a huuge cushion before making the move, and also improve my game as much as I could before the step up.

So here are my stats I appreciate the help and the advice. Plz, pay special attention attention to the circled/highlighted parts and comment on them.

1.utg loser (I'm openning all pocket pairs, AQ+ , however I might have opened more stuff when I was clicking buttons at the begginning -well, not that I'm not clicking them at the moment ).

2. Stealing too much?? Good steal success or not? Feel free to comment. Thanx a lot.

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^ 3. I forgot the other highlighted is Cbet success plz comment on that as well. Cheers.

^ Well it didn't really make any sense -position number 7 that is- it is not possible that I have played only 1,1K hands utg so it must be utg hands played from the time that OnGame had 10man full ring, that's the only explanation, so ignore it and comment on the rest plz.

chr_tz: Stealing looks good. As a general remark, if your game has changed a lot over the last year then it would be more informative to see the stats for your more recent play.

A few remarks: Don't post blinds out of turn. Don't open-limp. As for you UTG range, I'd rather play KQ than small pocket pairs, but check if you're successful with them.

Oh, and move up!

Thanx for the feedback.You are right, I'll post my most recent hands as I havent posted and open limped in a year .

Yep I'm moving up any day just trying to find the courage

Hey guy's, I seem to be somewhat stuck here at 2nl. I know it's not a big sample size but maybe someone can still find some obvious leaks.

Consider a stat like flop AFq. When we try to put our opponent on a range using post flop stats we have to consider other stats with them, like vpip, pfr, cbet. Who really does this? Who has time?

Are there any post flop stats that can be taken alone? Which are the easiest to assess? I guess bb/100 but that takes a tremendous number of hands to be valuable.

If a guy with a pfr of 4 cbets 100%, it is a very different range than someone with a pfr of 9 cbetting 100%. And cbet is one of the simplest post flop stats to assess.

I suppose someone who is very tight preflop with a very high WTSD, could be someone(donky) who can't fold overpairs and so we know to value all streets.

I'm not sure I understand your question. Some stats like cbet need to be taken in conjunction with other stats like pfr. Others are useful in isolation, like fold to cbet or wtsd.

Player one has a vpip of 60.
Player two has a vpip of 9.

If they both have the same wtsd stat they have totally different ranges as they progress down the steets, no?

I'm very used to making the cbet assessment based on pfr but that's about it.

Would you say wtsd based on vpip would be about as important or something else? And, how many hands would you want on an opponent before valuing these stats(I know it's largely dependent on vpip).

To assess a call cbet stat we would want to know villains ccpf stat, right?

Hello , can u tell me how to posts stats? I am using HEM2, is it the report statistics ? Can 300 hands from one session tell you something about my game ?

In general you can say: The bigger the leaks, the fewer hands you need to detect them. So if there is something totally wrong with your game - say, you play 50% of your hands - then we can see it in 300 hands, but then you don't need our help to detect that. For most of the more subtle leaks you need a much bigger sample.

I think that somewhere in the beginning of the thread numbers like 10k-15k hands are mentioned. In any case my recommendation is to read the first page of this thread carefully, then analyse your own statistics on that basis, and only post your stats here if afterwards there are still questions.

thanks,

and where can i find graph or stats like some posted above ? I am seeing only profit but not all stats like VPIP, PFR etc.

I'm not familiar with HM2, maybe somebody else can answer this.

**EDIT, crap - looks like PT3 export is purely a screengrab and missed the top section?

First 10k hands of 2nl. I've decided, if I'm ever going to learn to play poker ... I need to put some time into it. I want to do a regular leak find exercise every 10k hands. I've identified PFR as a major one to begin with.

These are the stats I'm looking to improve:

For my first effort in leak finding I have decided to focus on my PFR. My current stats are:
[ ]PFR First In: 6.9%
[ ]PFR First In: 2.90BB/100
[ ]PFR First In then check flop: -1.19BB/100
[ ]PFR First In then fold flop: -1.59BB/100
[ ]PFR First In then call flop: -0.24BB/100
[ ]PFR First In then bet flop: 4.56BB/100
[ ]PFR First In then raise flop: 2.44BB/100

(Note the BB/100 are for ALL hands, not just ones I was first to raise PF).

I really want to up my PFR % and C-Bet % because I'm -1.19BB/100 for checking after a PFR.

Any other thoughts for me to consider?

hey guys, just started playing zoom nl10, here are my pos stats


my thoughts about it

1)pfr more from mainly bu,co,hj (whats ideal value)?

2)cbet on bu and co is good, but i need more turn cbet (ideal is 40 imo, so-bareling turn broadways and bareling more on low uncoordinated boards

3)cbet when i open from ep more (lets say 75?)

4) im not sure about 3bet from co,bu,sb,bb

5) coldcall more from bu and co when somebody opens from lp with plan raise dry boards with at least 2 overs or floating with pps

what are you talking about it? what do you think about my winrates from positions(obv co and bu is pretty low and winrate from blinds are terrible)?

next thoughts

-steal from bu and co 40% (im not sure about co and hj number)

-wtsd is so small (maybe i should go to sd with TP more? Im too nity on turn probably)

-w$sd is too high (same problem as upper)

Hey, I have been grinding the micro full ring NL Holdem games for a while now, in the midst of a savage downswing just wondering if anyone could take a look and see if there is any obvious leaks.









Cheers

Hey Rukkizzi welcome to 2+2! I can't really help you as I'm not very experienced myself and there are so many others better than me commenting on your stats, however I would strongly suggest you to stop playing 10NL and study more the game while putting more volume at 5NL and learn the game better. Beating 5NL for less than 1bb is not a winrate that allows you to move up IMO.

Good Luck with your goals!

Rukkizzi,

it is rather obvious that your results in the last 40k hands are different from the results before. I would guess that your play over that period also differs from your play before; although it is of course possible to have such a downswing due to bad luck, it is more likely that tilt plays a factor. However this cannot be determined by seeing the stats over your whole history. Filter for the time of the downswing and compare the stats there with those from the time before.

I would also suggest to drastically reduce the number of tables.

Thanks for the comments, This is not all i have played, PTR says im close 1 million hands this is just my most recent sample. The downswing happened over 3 days, im certain there was no tilt issues, going into every session i felt good, was all stocked up on supplies and rdy to roll Also i was not checking my graph, only at the end of sessions so i had no idea i was loosing so much.

I have just checked my stats for all hands and compared them to the last 40k and they are near enough the same :/

Hi, this is rather small sample size, but I wanna know if you can tell me something about it.
There were 3 major hands - 2x AA into KK full stacked and JJ do AA on Jxx flop full stacked also. Without this 3 hands I wouldnt be in green. This means I could be doing something wrong.
I can add more stats or graphs but I am using HEM only 1 week so you must tell me where to find it

Thanks for looking


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