But this is not a function of the gap, it's a function of a low turn cbet in general.

it's certainly because cbet stats from good players continually come up like that. I think it could change drastically if, say, you regularly play against aggro fish or something like that. However, even though some of it is a product of who you play against, there is still some fundamental need to balance those bets in general.

If you cbet x%, you need to cbet the turn a certain ratio of that percentage to make that profitable, otherwise you are exploitable(against a certain percentage of the poker population). So I guess what I'm trying to say is, the higher you play, the larger portion of your flop cbet needs to be continued on the turn, but there is going to be a baseline even at 2nl.

I also believe that there is an inherent psychology behind the fact that a bigger bet on the turn(with less cards to come) will get more folds than the smaller bet on the flop, but this is unproven(by me anyway). This also means that a bet on the flop(against a thinking player) will better threaten a bet on the turn and river, thus putting more weight behind a smaller bet.

I'd like to ask some opinions about my stats.

I'm a live player and I believe my postflop skills are good enough so I don't like to stick my money in preflop too much. And I'm amazed how tight everyone in online is so my biggest variance comes from calling too much.

I believe I'm doing something right and I'd like to hear what you think I'm doing right/wrong and why.

Also I want to hear, how does the internet regulars see my stats and do you think I would be exploited badly on SSNL? As I'm thinking of taking a stab there soon.
If you can answer to question: "How would you exploit me?" I'd be very interested in hearing it.

I'm a relentless defender of my blinds against LP steals
I'm equally relentless blind stealer
I like postflop play and my biggest leak is not believing the other guy has anything before I get to my senses.
As I don't like to 3Bet very light or wide, then I sometimes flat with strong hands also. On the other hand I 3Bet when I feel villain will fold to it.
I float and steal from people who don't dare 2nd barrel
I 2nd barrel pretty regularly against people who seem to like to float
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My stats:



My graph:



My player summary:

I am 10% finish my run of 100K hands at 2NL, I have a thread in Poker Goals & Challenges. Were I am working my way up through the mircos, I am sick of being the fish. So I started at the bottom at 2NL. Here is a link to my thread.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...013-a-1175908/

Any and all help is much appreciated.

Here are some of my stats let me know if there are other stats that I should be looking at.

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EV

You are right that you have to cbet a certain ratio on the turn. However, I'm pretty sure that the stat that's displayed under "turn cbet%" is exactly that ratio, and not the double-barrel frequency. You get the double-barreling by multiplying it by fcb%.

Hence your turn cbet% has to be at least a certain value, which is independent of your flop cbet%.

Of course I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure I have seen a case of tcb% > fcb%.

wait, isn't tcb% just the percentage of fcb that were bet on the turn as well? Wouldn't that entail that even if the number is bigger, that it is in fact less hands cbet on the turn, because you can never have more than 100% tcb? Unless it includes delayed cbets as well. Can someone clear this up?

In other words, if we raise 100 hands preflop, cbet 60, and double-barrel 30, is our tcb% 30 or 50? I have always assumed it was 50, and my remarks are based on that.

I've seen players with a higher turn C-bet % than flop c-bet %.
However, this can be easily achieved in a small sample. A player could bet 50% of 10 flops and only get called twice. If he c-bets the turn both times, he'll have flop c-bet of 50% and turn c-bet of 100%.
I'm not 100% sure if you get a "score" for c-betting the turn if you merely delayed your c-bet, or if you have to barrel for it to count as a turn c-bet, but I'm gonna try and find out.

EDIT: From the old HEM PDF manual: "Turn Continuation Bet = Bet the turn after being the Pre Flop Raiser Preflop and C-betting the flop". So it would appear it is not independent. Turn c-bet % is the double-barrelling frequency.

Thanks arty.

Hi folks, looking for help. I'm at my wits end and almost giving up online poker. I was a sn g mtt player on full tilt. When the **** hit the fan I got most of my BR off Ft but on pokerstars i have ran really bad so started playing cash.

I feel I've plugged my biggest leak-- calling down too much. I've noticed that in cash the blufffing frequency is nowhere near mtt and sng play. So ive started calling down less. However, im still losing at cash and dont know why. Here are my stats, any advice is greatly appreciated. If i need to post other stats let me know. Please, Help me 2plus2 !

cdsoulboy44: I don't see any glaring leaks in your positional stats other than the fact that you appear to play every position outside of BUT/CO/HJ the same. My guess would be that a bigger part of the problem is postflop where you need to adjust to the much deeper stack and the resulting shift in relative hand strengths.

Thanks for the advice. Are there any stats I could post that would enable people to give advice on my post flop play?

Your pre-flop stats look fine, apart from the fact that you have the same nitty range for the first 4 seats, and are probably not stealing enough from the cutoff and button as your VPIP/PFR are fairly low there.
Post-flop, I'm not sure how PT displays things, but in HEM there is a reports page that shows the following stats:

C-bet flop
Flop C-bet success
C-bet turn
Flop Agg
Turn Agg
River Agg
Overall AF
WTSD
W$SF
W$SD
River Call Efficiency.

If you can provide those stats (either in a screengrab or writing the numbers here) that should help us identify any glaring problems.

Here are some more stats. Advice greatly appreciated guys.

So the last 10k hands ,has been pretty disgusting ,so i`am trying to find some leaks in my game, maybe someone could share your oppinion, on how i`am going. (it`s NL4 btw.)

I can't see anything obvious in the post-flop stats, but it's 4 in the morning here and my eyes might not be working properly.

Three main things jump out:
1. Not enough c-betting. Get that up above 60%. You're fairly tight, so on most flops you'll generally make a good pair, have a pocket pair, or at least have one overcard. You often have the best hand, or have (backdoor) draws, so you should be betting. Villains will fold pretty often. I suspect your losses in middle position are almost wholly because your numbers for c-bet and (especially) turn bet are very low. Look up the Concept of the Week article(s) on continuation betting for further advice.
2. Quite a high pre-flop 3-bet %. At these stakes, you shouldn't go crazy with 3-bets, especially with hands like AJ, AQ, TT if you're currently 3-betting those. There's more value to be had by flatting in position, as villains that 4-bet will often have you crushed with QQ+. Try flatting in position with hands like AK and see if you can turn things around.
3. Calling too many raises with (I'm guessing) potentially-dominated hands. If a tight player opens, throw away AJ and KQo. He will take you to value town with AK. If there are 2 raises in front of you, you need a monster.
I'm not sure exactly which hands you are currently calling with, but the bulk of your pre-flop calling range should be pocket pairs, and only then if stack sizes give you the implied odds to set-mine. If you're calling raises with suited connectors, then just stop. SCs are very difficult to make money with, despite the hype. Pocket pairs are much more straighforward. You either make your set and get it in, or you fold on the flop.

I hope these tips help you. I'll add that in a 10,000 hand sample, it's perfectly feasible that you've just had some bad luck, rarely getting aces or kings, or losing more than your fair share of coinflips, so don't be too worried about your results just yet. Just tighten up your pre-flop calling range, and be a little more aggressive on the flop when you were the raiser.

Could I get some pointers about my stats in post #4553, I made it some time ago but no one picked up anything of from it.

you are flatting way too many hands out of the blinds. If you are looking to move up, you will need to change this or you will get killed by the better regs. Start 3betting or folding vs steal position opens, and remove things like K9 out of your flatting range. A good place to start 3b bluffing is Axs hands, as they have blockers to the strong part of their range, they have equity post if called, and can be easily folded to a 4b.

Anything else would need a bigger sample to make a judgement call on.

calling too many raises? are you on crack mate? there is a 1.6% difference between his VPIP/PFR. if anything he's not calling ENOUGH raises, especially IP. post-flop is the nuts these days; pretty much everyone sucks at it.

agree with other points tho.

I did say it was 4 in the morn and my eyes weren't working properly.
You're right. His VPIP and PFR are very close. I was distracted by the stats in the bottom image, where OP was losing a ton of money when there's a raiser in front of him. With the high post-flop aggression on that chart, it looks like he's picking the wrong spots to try and get a (nitty?) villain off his hand, or he's getting valuetowned (low W$SD).
As you say, post-flop is the nuts these days. I think OP's main leak could be overplaying some marginal holdings, especially in 3-bet pots.

Hey, been playing a lot of micro full ring recently, started off on a 2NL Downswing (lol) but it turned around went fine through 5NL too, then 10NL started off well and just had a really bad downswing last night for like 14 BI's. :< Wondering if anyone can take a look at the stats to see if there is anything obvious I can improve on. =)







Thanks in advance.

Stats look fairly solid to me. Keep it up

Hey. Could anyone comment on these?

I actually moved up in stakes several times in the past few years, but after a long break and a fresh start i feel like i've lost my game. Decided to try out some zoom. The winrate is good, but i'm running above EV, and that seems to be the trend for me - whenever i play, i'm above EV, feels like a fish on a heater.
Also yeah, i'm aware that i should prolly play tighter, that's an old 6max habit i guess. Anything else? Also was playing w/o stats (just installed PT4 to see the stats since HM can't do zoom).
Thanks in advance

So, i also cheked positional stats and that was a surprise: seems like im winning alot less from the button and cut-off than i should. When i played 6-max this was def not the case. Pretty interesting, i need to work on that for sure, tho i'm not exactly sure what i'm doing so wrong there. Perhaps, isolating or calling too loose.
Here is the screenshot:

for all you stat wizards, how many hands til cbet turn becomes reliable?