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07-05-2010 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by DntRazeMePlz




This is a bit of a check up - I just got back into poker this month after a couple of years off and I'm going to attempt to work my way back up in stakes. I've ran into what I believe to be some coolers lately and then I've definitely had some tilt but I wanted to make sure there weren't any glaring leaks in my numbers that I'm not seeing, thanks.
Think you are doing fine, wouldn't start changing that much.

WTSD at 50NL is a little high, are you taking some 2nd best hands to SD to often?

How is your WR when CC?
You could probably get away with stealing a bit more from the BTN/CO against the right opponents (people who fold to steals and people who fold a lot to Cbets).
Filter and see how you are doing in those 3bet pots OOP.
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07-05-2010 , 08:58 PM
I am a 13/11/3 break even player at $25 full ring and have known for a while
that my showdown stats of 21wtsd and 59w$sd are not normal.

I am wondering what these showdown stats indicate about my play and
what adjustments should I make?

Thanks for all replies.
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07-06-2010 , 04:46 PM
I've been playing 25nl/50nl rush for a few days now. I'm not sure whether I am running well or not because the game feels so swingy. It might be the nature of the game but some sessions are 5+ buy-ins and some are -5 buy-ins. I was hoping for a little insight into my leaks if possible. Thanks in advance.

[IMG] By cky3 at 2010-07-06[/IMG]
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07-07-2010 , 06:23 AM
hello, first post. Been playing 4 months. Just started 5nl, the sample size probably isn't big enough to determine much but any help would be appreciated.

I'm only capable of 4 tabling and average 200-300 hands a day.






June and July were my only winning months at 5nl. Thanks for the help guys.
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07-07-2010 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Maikeru
hello, first post. Been playing 4 months. Just started 5nl, the sample size probably isn't big enough to determine much but any help would be appreciated.

I'm only capable of 4 tabling and average 200-300 hands a day.






June and July were my only winning months at 5nl. Thanks for the help guys.
You play the same range of hands from all positions, you should play fewer hands in EP and more in LP

Play much tighter from EP
Fold more to 3bets OOP

Read some stickies, CoTW threads and "Sir Cuddles Guide to beating the micros"
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07-07-2010 , 01:14 PM
Hey community!

I am trying to beat NL10 after dropping down from NL25 (I played NL25, cause I was rolled after winning a MTT). I've adapted my game, from about 26/13 to 15/8, so I play fewer hands.

Although I don't bluff anymore at this stage, don't try to resteal when I'm in the blinds, I try to play small pot with TPTK. I play with 70BB instead of 100BB and don't invest my whole stack with hands worse than top two pair, I STILL LOSE!!!.

Am I calling raises to much? Shouldn't I play Suited Connectors at all, except with 5 limpers in late position? Should I allways fold in the blinds, to avoid losing to much except Top 5% of my hands? Should I stop contibetting with AKo on a rainbowflop like Q72?

I'd really appreciate help from more experienced players? WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?!? If you want to see some hands or need more detailed info, please write me a PM! thx


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07-07-2010 , 06:14 PM
I posted this "outside" of this vast wasteland of a thread hoping to get some extended discussion ... apparently everything has a place on 2+2, so here it is...

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So, I've played about 40K hands of 5NL-25NL, reg. tables and rush, on FTP. Been on a sick losing streak over the past 30K hands. Trying to identify where I'm leaking the most, getting sucked out on the most, etc.

I think I've made some conclusions, but am not sure yet.

Just curious if you wouldn't mind sharing your Final Hands summary from HEM or PT3. Thanks in advance - here's mine (laugh, cry, comment, yell, flame, etc.)...

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07-07-2010 , 06:26 PM
losing so much with high cards and one pair is pretty std. If you check this thread for other pics, youll see that some guys lose money with 2pair others dont.

But keep in mind that HEM and PT3 have diff ways to show these numbers. One is at SD the other not. So be careful.
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07-07-2010 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CBukowski
losing so much with high cards and one pair is pretty std. If you check this thread for other pics, youll see that some guys lose money with 2pair others dont.

But keep in mind that HEM and PT3 have diff ways to show these numbers. One is at SD the other not. So be careful.
Interesting. I know from prior stats that I've had one pair is always a big loser, while two pair is on the edge. I'm especially curious about better hands - trips, flushes, etc. - to make sure that I'm winning enough per hand.

I could look at my stats from a 25NL-400NL run that I had about 5 years ago, but the landscape of online poker has changed so much, I know I can't expect similar results now.
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07-07-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by pele02
WTSD at 50NL is a little high, are you taking some 2nd best hands to SD to often?
How is 20% WTSD high? What kind of poker are you playing?
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07-07-2010 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Furrrr
How is 20% WTSD high? What kind of poker are you playing?
27%isnt the same as 20% imo.
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07-09-2010 , 12:26 AM
hi, i have been running 25NL for about 37k hands.

i have been a break even player with swings of 3 buy ins daily.

i am certain i have leaks that require attention.

here are my stats, please feel free to comment or bash haha.





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07-09-2010 , 02:34 AM
Hi everyone,
seems I play way too many hands from the blinds. My mentality is that I want to defend them and sometimes do so with suited connectors and weak broadway (KJo KQo) but maybe this is what's been getting me into trouble..

I would appreciate any other comments on big leaks. Thanks!

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07-09-2010 , 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
Your sample is way too small to derive any sort of conclusions about your game and/or leaks.
Ok got in 10k hands.




Cont bet flop is +$80.36
CCPF is +$60.87

Still feels like i'm not doing something right
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07-09-2010 , 01:28 PM
As there is no help in the **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****, which is clear, cause there are 4 times more people asking for help, than actually answering, I am trying my luck here.

Maybe somebody wants to help:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=3056

thx
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07-09-2010 , 01:37 PM
Well, lets see. Playing 15/8 is playing to loose. Stop calling so much. I typically run 15/11 and I know I call to much, but I have specific reasons why I do it. I would suggest that as long as you are losing to tighten up.

Also, if your playing 70BB deep and are only willing to get it all in with top 2 or better, then you are playing WAY to weak tight. Most likely you are loosing so much money while waiting to hit a big hand that your big hands aren't making up for it. And the better 10NL regs (not many, but whatever) are going to notice how tight you are and attack you a TON. Your starting stack size actually encourages this.

No, you should not be playing suited connectors at 10NL unless it is folded to you on the CO or BTN and you are stealing the blinds, and then it still might be a fold.

I can't read your stats from that web site, but generally tighten up your pre-flop range and opening up your post flop value range should do wonders.
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07-09-2010 , 01:49 PM
15/8 is not too loose, it's too passive. Judging from your VPIP/PFR gap in early position, you're open limping a lot. Don't do it. In fact, dump your speculative hands from early position. Toss your small pairs and your suited connectors. Even if you do flop your set or your straight, it's so hard to get paid off from EP. Save those hands for the later positions where you can make a lot more money.

Don't ever open limp. If you're the first to act, either raise or fold.

As for your rule of never stacking off with worse than two pair, you can't make that statement in general. You need to take it on a villain by villain basis. Some villains I'll happily stack off with 100bb with TP.

I didn't realize that you are only playing 70bb. suited connectors are useless if you are playing that shallow. Honestly, I would suggest moving down to 5NL and learning how to play with a 100bb stack, especially since you are transitioning from MTT. Cash games are a different beast.

But the first thing you need to do is work on that VPIP/PFR gap. It's hard to win with a gap like that.
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07-09-2010 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Searix
Ok got in 10k hands...
Take a look at the hands you're limping in EP and see if it's more profitable to raise them or limp them. If limping is negative or marginal compared to raising I'd just raise or fold. If this is 2nl or 5nl then it's probably ok if you're sitting 200bb+ deep on Stars with large implied odds, but if you're in a game with 100bb limping isn't really something you want to do.

There's also some large drop offs in barreling frequency in EP and MP. The flop cbet is a bit high and the turn is a bit low in relation to each other. I might focus more on quality cbets rather than quantity cbets - looking for good flops to cbet that will let you continue to cbet the turn - and just giving up some flops as the PFRer. For example, you don't have to cbet AK on 875ss or T95ss all the time, flops that smash villain's cold calling range, c/f those are just fine since you can't continue on 88% of turns anyways. Pick and choose your opponents for this too. If it's just a fit or fold 70% fold to cbet type then obviously keep firing away at flops and giving up turns.

You can also really open up your steal % from BTN and SB especially. BTN steal of 28% is getting there but you're going to have just as much steal success % at 35-40% as you are at 22-28%. Try it out at first by just opening any 2 cards against people with fold to steal of 75%+. 75o, 96s etc against a couple of nits in the blinds = steal. You don't have to go crazy against stations though, again pick your targets. People are not going to adjust.

Hope this helps!

Last edited by JH1; 07-09-2010 at 01:54 PM.
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07-09-2010 , 01:53 PM
Yes.

Your calling to many 3 bets.

Your playing to many hands in the blinds (especially the SB)

Your open limping (This should literally never happen)

Your not isoing limpers

Your not getting enough value with overpairs/TP type hands (and you seem to be losing a lot of money with TPWK).

Overall your game seems to be missing the fundamentals. Forget what you think you know. Drop down to 5NL (I don't care if your rolled for higher, your not good enough yet for 10NL) study the basics of TAG play and relearn the game.
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07-09-2010 , 01:57 PM
Post your positional stats in the stats thread. It's hard to see what you're doing wrong with just the overall. A lot of problems stem from playing out of position.

People probably didn't respond cause they couldn't figure out what that dot was in your post.
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07-09-2010 , 02:01 PM
I'd recommend you to drop down to NL5 aswell. I started my cash career like 6 weeks ago after a year of being a SnG reg, and i lost half my bankroll the first two weeks. It was then when i moved down to nl2 and then nl5 while studying all concept of the week threads to be found in this forum and while getting into the 2p2 community.

Cash games are totally diferent from tournament play. TPTK is the nuts in tournaments, whereas in cash you have to dump your AK on A high boards many times. For me it was like relearning poker. So basically: don't play to win money, play to learn. You'll move up in the future.
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07-09-2010 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by udbrky
Post your positional stats in the stats thread.
The second table, right below the chart here ->http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/8973/2plus2.jpg or do you mean something else?
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07-09-2010 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by skream89
It was then when i moved down to nl2 and then nl5 while studying all concept of the week threads to be found in this forum and while getting into the 2p2 community.
The following links look very good to me:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...thread-607367/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...micros-430637/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69...l-50nl-367707/

what else would you recommend to read? Do you have other sources?

And I'd love to get a part of the community here, allthough it seems I can't give any usefull advice yet
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07-09-2010 , 02:22 PM
Crushing the micros (your second thread) and nit clinic by digger are the two I always recommend starting with. If you just follow the advice on those 2 threads alone will give you solid fundamentals.
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