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04-05-2010 , 06:20 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
Your 3b is too low. 4-5 is good. Your WTSD is way too high. My guess is it is from not being able to fold hands like tptk and overpairs when raised on the turn or river, as well as having such a low aggression factor. Fold to cbets way more, like 70% instead of 44. Your fold to steal is very low. Even if you know people are stealing, the best thing to do with a crap hand is fold. There are some other stats that would good to see that you didn't post, but that is enough for now.

Take a couple hours a night for the next week, and read all of the concepts of the week. Post 1 hand every couple day, and try to post in at least 5 peoples hand's everyday. Sign up for this months sweat session. You are on the right track. Keep at it.
Thanks for the information. I think not being able to fold marginal hands like TPTK has definitely been a problem, as well as not folding to steals.

I'll take a bit of time to read over the COTWs again and try to digest the information.
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04-05-2010 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
There are some stat categories that I would like to know more about.

In the OP, mpethybridge mentioned W$SD should be 45 and 48% for LAGS or between 52 and 55% for TAGS. If you are playing a TAG game, can you have too high a W$SD? I have seen winning players w/ 58-60% W$SD. Is this a leak? Are they not bluffing enough? Are not making enough light calls ect?? Either not bluffing enough or checking/checking behind the river with the best hand, basically all of the things you said. If your W$SD is that high, there is an excellent chance that you are missing tons of value in your post-flop game (or you are on a lolheater...)
In the OP, it said win at least 35% of the flops you see. My W$WSF is 42.3. Is there any reason you would not want this stat to be as high as possible, but near 35%? IIRC, anything around 40% for W$WSF is good.

Why is Aggression Factor one of the three stats we typically use when describing a villain (vpip/pfr/af), but we never mention Aggression Frequency? Do you use AFq in your hud? How would you break down very passive/passive/normal/aggressive/very aggressive in terms of AFq%? How large of a sample do you like for this stat to be meaningful? I'm sure mpethy will chime in on this. Then *Split*. Then mpethy

Fold to 3 bet preflop: How is this stat derived? Is this the best stat to use or is Fold to 3 bet when raised a better indicator of how people handle 3 bets preflop? I think HEM and PT3 calculate this stat differently, as my stats changed greatly when I switched over from PT to HEM. One of them calculates the stat by everytime you face a 3bet regardless of who the pfr was and one registers only when you are 3bet as the pfr. (I believe PT is the former and HEM is the latter, but someone correct me if I got that backwards.

Cold Call preflop: I noticed mine is significantly higher than Chargers and Baha 15’s. Mine is around 5 and their’s is less than 2. Does this mean that I set mining/calling with SCs too much, or did they miss out profitable spots? Chances are you are cold-calling to wide a range either OTB or out of the blinds. Run a filter for CC preflop=true by position and take a look at your SC's, 1 gappers and randoms. From the blinds add your PP's and things like AQ-AT and check your profitability making CC with these hands. Hands that you lose money with, move into a 3bet or fold category pre until you are more comfortable playing them post OOP.
all imo.
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04-08-2010 , 03:07 AM
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How can we sort out my blind play lads? I think i need to player fewer hands and stop 3betting as much oop. Any other comments regarding blind play and anything else?

This is mostly 25nl and 25pl, with a little 50 mixed in.
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04-08-2010 , 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by YummyYumChicken
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How can we sort out my blind play lads? I think i need to player fewer hands and stop 3betting as much oop. Any other comments regarding blind play and anything else?

This is mostly 25nl and 25pl, with a little 50 mixed in.
Wtf are you serious?
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04-08-2010 , 04:54 AM
^^BBV IMO Lol.
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04-08-2010 , 05:01 AM
no please help me. look at the blind play. this is not some kinda veiled brag. please help me.
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04-08-2010 , 05:05 AM
is it just a case of playing too many hands and 3betting too much? please this is not a level. genuinely trying to improve here.
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04-08-2010 , 01:58 PM
Hey guys, just trying to get a read on my playing so far. I know it's a LOL sample size, just wanting to know my leaks and what to work on before I leave this lucky heater I'm on. I know my 3bet calling is way too high and I'm overaggressive (according to leakbuster and PTR.) What else am I missing? Thanks.





To me, looks like I'm on a major donkswing over EV. I would like to think I'm not playing that bad, but EV says I should be sucking. Thanks for any help again.
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04-09-2010 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
Hey all. This is my worst month. I haven't won in a while and I have no idea wtf I'm doing wrong. It's like I've forgotten how to win or something. Any input would be greatly appreciated. I can provide any other stats you request.




- Your went to showdown is way too low. Should be at least 23-26 imo. Don't be a pussy, and call down more often.
- Obviously fold more in the blinds, figure out what hands to call with and which ones to 3b. Although you should be folding most of them.
- I have no issues with your fold to 3b, coz thts fine at NL25-NL50.
- Also notice your aggression factor, why would you want to be more aggressive from the blinds when you are OOP?
- It seems you're floating ppl in the wrong spots. Calling flop cbet and giving up on turn often. If I were to guess your fold to turn cbet will probably be high something like 40-60.

Think about these things when you review your hands, I guess.
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04-09-2010 , 08:07 AM
Just checking how my stats are, making sng->cash transiction

Thanks

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04-09-2010 , 12:02 PM
mfnb, looks good, definitely running hot though
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04-09-2010 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by theboot
- Your went to showdown is way too low. Should be at least 23-26 imo. Don't be a pussy, and call down more often.
- Obviously fold more in the blinds, figure out what hands to call with and which ones to 3b. Although you should be folding most of them.
- I have no issues with your fold to 3b, coz thts fine at NL25-NL50.
- Also notice your aggression factor, why would you want to be more aggressive from the blinds when you are OOP?
- It seems you're floating ppl in the wrong spots. Calling flop cbet and giving up on turn often. If I were to guess your fold to turn cbet will probably be high something like 40-60.

Think about these things when you review your hands, I guess.
Thanks, I definitely appreciate the help!
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04-09-2010 , 04:44 PM
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mfnb, looks good, definitely running hot though
yep, i'm aware of that

the transition to NL100 seems tough and was looking for any possible leak.

btw isn't flot cbetting a little bit high?
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04-09-2010 , 11:19 PM
Hey all,

I was going to try and get to 20k hands b4 doing this but I am sick of burning money. Here is my graph around roughly 11k hands. Been playing for a while but recently have been trying to get serious about my game.

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Still trying to figure out how to navigate the forum...

Here are my stats and graph:
5nl
Hands: 11k
VPIP: 14.0
PFR%: 7.8
3bet%: 3.1
flopcbet%: 80%
flopcbet success: 56.4
fold% vs. 3bet: 46.6
call% vs. 3bet: 38.6
raise% vs. 3bet: 14.8

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04-12-2010 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by shakmat
Hey all,

I was going to try and get to 20k hands b4 doing this but I am sick of burning money. Here is my graph around roughly 11k hands. Been playing for a while but recently have been trying to get serious about my game.

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Still trying to figure out how to navigate the forum...

Here are my stats and graph:
5nl
Hands: 11k
VPIP: 14.0
PFR%: 7.8
3bet%: 3.1
flopcbet%: 80%
flopcbet success: 56.4
fold% vs. 3bet: 46.6
call% vs. 3bet: 38.6
raise% vs. 3bet: 14.8

It's hard to give you advice with such limited stats. Based on what you have, I would try to call 3bets less often, especially out of position. Also, your PFR and VPIP should be a bit closer. Are you open limping? You shouldn't be. You might want to open more hands and cold call a bit less.
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04-13-2010 , 08:29 AM
I'm trying to improve my game and would like to now which leaks you can find.

Here are my stats:







Any comments are very much appreciated!
Thx!
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04-14-2010 , 10:08 AM
Not trying to be an ass since I haven't contributed anything in the thread yet.

Just spent a couple of hours reading. Seems by the thread name that it's a thread for FULL RING. There's on just above for short handed. Those of you playing short handed might get better answers in that one.

Thanks to all who has given advice here.
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04-14-2010 , 10:13 AM
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Seems by the thread name that it's a thread for FULL RING.
this is FR
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04-15-2010 , 07:50 PM
Im a newbie on grinding and was just a recreational player p*ssing of my dollars for around 3 years ...im trying to start nl2 grinding but are having difficulties fixing my game as i dont no how to analyze pt3 stats most of the stats are from nl2 (70%) http://www.nearbuystore.com/poker_ep_74-1.html any help is appreciated
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04-16-2010 , 12:21 AM
Hey guys, still pretty new to playing winning online poker, been reading old CoTWs and such. Been doing pretty well so far, but I want to see if there any leaks that I need to plug. Also, what kind of sample size do you need to reach until there is a decent degree of confidence that your results reflect your actual game?

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04-16-2010 , 01:03 PM
here are my 6max position stats. they looks quite strange for me.

MP = higher $ winning than button
BB = 10 times more $ loosing than SB
CO = 1/4 $ winnings of BU
EP = 1/8 $ winnings of MP

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04-18-2010 , 02:12 PM
Sleight of Hand:

Small sample size and I'm not a stats guy, but I can tell a few thing pretty quickly.

-Play less hands from EP.
-You can probably get away with opening up a bit more OTB and CO, aswell as calling a pfr in position more often.
-If 6.9% is you're actual 3bet stat (not just varaince) then thats too high for Nl10 by quite a bit.
-Close to 90% cbet, while (theoretically) profitable at these limits is likely putting you in alot of tough spot oop. There are likely a few spot that you're betting now, where you're oop with little equity when called, that a check would be a better descision.
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04-20-2010 , 04:10 AM
Thx a lot 4 your answer. My limit is NL50 but it should be similar to NL10 in case of 3betting.
I do find out through this post: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=2797 I think I do have quite the similar problems.
Lost to much in the BB. In my case the reason is, because I do lose money with bad cards(preflop mistake) and with good cards(postflop errors).
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04-20-2010 , 10:33 PM
brand new micro stakes player. I played before just for fun was pretty awful/unlucky anyways here a new start going stick with 10nl

btw i lost 2 full buyin 100bb with AK so I don't think I'm too bad. Guess I can't always push people around with AK as this is much different from tournament style. Any books you guys recommend? Ya I'm brand new to cash games



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04-21-2010 , 03:00 PM
Niranjana:

Your position win rates are definitely being skewed by variance due to your small sample size.

Your MP win rate is far higher than is sustainable.

Your CO is definitely low, roughly half what it could be. This is probably variance-related, at least partly.

Your button and EP stats lok fine.

Your SSB loss rate is ok, maybe a bit on the high side. Your BB win rate is incredibly high. This could just be variance, but you need to check your 3 betting and cold calling to see whether you have any leaks.

You need to filter for did 3 bet = true and filter for holecards by deselecting AA, KK, QQ, JJ and AK to make sure you are profitable with your non-prmium stealing range. If your win rate 3 betting from the blinds with a non-premium hand is below, say, 200bb/100, then you need to look at each category of hands you 3 bet--small pockets, mid pockets, suited aces, suited kings, suited connectors and one gappers, etc. to see if you are negative with any particular class of hands. If you are, you need to look to see if it is a preflop or post flop issue and adjust your play accordingly.

After you have done that, you also need to look at your calls of steals from the blinds. You're going to filter by categories of starting hands as described above, and look for categories that you are losing more with than if you had just folded (so any loss rate greater than 100bb/100 in the BB, or -50bb/100 in the small blind. Categories you are negative with that are weak hands go into your 3 bet or fold range, and categories that are strong hands (mid pockets, KJs, KQs, ATs+) indicate a post flop leak of some sort.

You could stand some loosening up both in EP and OTB. You could stand to loosen up a lot from the button.
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