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Originally Posted by stremba70
No shove pre, but 4 bet to about 45BB. This will give you good fold equity if villain is at the bottom of his 3 bet range and will give you good odds to call should villain shove. You would be calling 59.5 more BB to win 149.5 BB so you would need just over 28% equity to break even on a call. If you think that this villain only shoves KK and AA it’s obviously a fold, but if he has AK and QQ in his shoving range, it is a call.
If villain calls the four bet the remainder of the hand pretty much just plays itself. You have 59.5 BB left with a 90 BB pot. That is an SPR of less than 1, so you are going to stack off with this flop regardless of how the action goes.
Realistically, 4betting to 45bb is the same as shoving (assuming you intend to call vs a jam). The only difference is that the former gives villain more strategic options.
Shoving is actually a very reasonable option when the rake is high, but you probably want the 3bet to be a bit bigger. That is, shoving 100bb to win 12bb is much better odds than shoving 100bb to win 10bb.
Works even better if villain is 3betting wider than they should, since your shove would generate more folds.