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06-27-2022 , 09:56 AM
100nl
100 eff no history with villain
Co open 3bb, hero in sb KcTc 3bet to 12bb, Co calls
Pot 25bb Flop JcTd2h Hero bet 8bb, villain calls
Pot 41bb Turn Qc Hero check, villain bet 28bb, hero jam

Standard flop play I think but turn gets a bit spicy. Appreciate the feedback!

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06-27-2022 , 10:47 AM
I like it. Lot of equity if called and you’re near the bottom of your range.
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06-27-2022 , 01:17 PM
Yeah this is fine
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06-27-2022 , 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JamAdebayo
Yeah this is fine
Is xc an option here? Felt a bit gross.

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06-27-2022 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MrZoink
Is xc an option here? Felt a bit gross.

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No but bet/call is (according to GTOWiz)
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06-28-2022 , 10:20 AM
I think i like betting bigger on the flop and then open jamming turn. mainly because CO probably isn't folding much that pot commits

Can't we go lam on JTx boards oop?
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06-28-2022 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
I think i like betting bigger on the flop and then open jamming turn. mainly because CO probably isn't folding much that pot commits

Can't we go lam on JTx boards oop?
We're certainly doing really well on this board SBvsCO since our whole range pretty much has a piece (tho CO prob has a higher set% + a higher proportion of JTs). The idea between 1/3p sizing is that you're range betting to push your equity advantage. You're certainly allowed to have a bigger size here but it requires playing a more complicated strategy where you split sizes and/or carve out a tiny checking range, because its not a spot where you really want to be blasting off with like AT or 99 (so yeah even if we were splitting sizes I'd be usually betting small with this, which is how GTOwiz plays it in their scheme where they're checking 14% and splitting bets between 1/3p and 1/2p)
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06-28-2022 , 06:10 PM
I did a quick solve earlier after I wrote that and yeah, basically splits but this combo is ranged.

But wondering now if we nodelock CO to overfold flop or particularly turn then solver might lean more to the aggro sizing. My unproven hunch is villains are going to make bigger EV mistakes with bet/jam that they would vs turn bet/jam/call but i'd need to run it and see
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06-28-2022 , 06:24 PM
For example, CO is supposed to call most AQ when we bet large here but I doubt they are in practice, which gives them less of a turn calling range

Then on the turn gto is supposed to call some KT, T9 and T8. Which is going to be rare.

But idk. I'm getting ~37% wants to bet flop large which usually means if I force it the EV will be very close to ranging 33. Plus, I'm a simpleton who likes one size strategies
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06-28-2022 , 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ceres
I did a quick solve earlier after I wrote that and yeah, basically splits but this combo is ranged.

But wondering now if we nodelock CO to overfold flop or particularly turn then solver might lean more to the aggro sizing. My unproven hunch is villains are going to make bigger EV mistakes with bet/jam that they would vs turn bet/jam/call but i'd need to run it and see
If we nodelock him to overfold flop in general, then betting small with our whole range (which is the simplification I'd personally be using in the first place, both because it's easiest to execute and I do think people slightly overfold) is going to print. If we nodelock him to play well against 1/3p sizing but play poorly against 1/2p sizing then yes betting bigger more often will be better, but that's a pretty specific assumption. So personally I'd stick to range betting against decent regs, and generally if I'm sizing up its to make more money with a value hand (or like KQ specifically) vs someone who I don't think will pick up on what I'm doing.
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06-29-2022 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JamAdebayo
If we nodelock him to overfold flop in general, then betting small with our whole range (which is the simplification I'd personally be using in the first place, both because it's easiest to execute and I do think people slightly overfold) is going to print. If we nodelock him to play well against 1/3p sizing but play poorly against 1/2p sizing then yes betting bigger more often will be better, but that's a pretty specific assumption. So personally I'd stick to range betting against decent regs, and generally if I'm sizing up its to make more money with a value hand (or like KQ specifically) vs someone who I don't think will pick up on what I'm doing.
Whats your turn strategy after range bet? Are you bet calling or check jamming?

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06-29-2022 , 11:04 AM
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Whats your turn strategy after range bet? Are you bet calling or check jamming?

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With this hand I prefer the check/jam. GTOwiz does both (they're not range betting tho, like I said they're betting more like 80some% of the time and splitting between 1/3p and 1/2p sizing) but bet/calls slightly more often. That surprised me a bit because i think check/jam makes more intuitive sense
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