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08-04-2022 , 05:08 AM
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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($28.23) [VPIP: 25.6% | PFR: 21.1% | AGG: 32.8% | Flop Agg: 33.9% | Turn Agg: 41% | River Agg: 34.3% | 3-Bet: 10% | 4-Bet: 23.7% | Hands: 1048]
CO ($10.76) [VPIP: 16.1% | PFR: 16.1% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 31]
BTN ($30.92) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 22.6% | AGG: 37.5% | Hands: 64]
SB ($27.11) [VPIP: 12.9% | PFR: 6.5% | AGG: 40% | Hands: 64]
BB ($31.37) [VPIP: 28.1% | PFR: 23.4% | AGG: 58.3% | Flop Agg: 57.1% | Turn Agg: 66.7% | River Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 12% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 11.1% | Hands: 64]
UTG ($26.05) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 16]

Dealt to Hero: J Q

UTG Folds, HERO Raises To $0.62, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Calls $0.37

Hero SPR on Flop: [20.6 effective]
Flop ($1.34): 6 A 7
BB Checks, HERO Checks

Turn ($1.34): 6 A 7 J
BB Bets $0.96 (Rem. Stack: $29.79), HERO Calls $0.96 (Rem. Stack: $26.65)

River ($3.26): 6 A 7 J 9
BB Bets $2.33 (Rem. Stack: $27.46)
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08-04-2022 , 06:54 AM
Always cbetting this. If the low cards were 5 and below I get more polar

AP I think easyish fold vs unknown. They aren't value betting worse. A reg might know how to attack that flop check with draws but some of those are 9x and they don't need to bluff lke this. I guess we'd rather have JT to block AT.

bottom line: there's still a lot of value in their range that could play like this
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08-04-2022 , 11:17 AM
I think it's a fold since he's going to have an Ace and a lot of 2pair or better on this board.
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08-04-2022 , 11:50 AM
I'd fold but I'm curious what type of hand does this.

Turn probes on Ace high boards don't happen very frequently in theory and when they do they go huge.

His play is probably fine with a weak Ax vs population but we can counter that strategy by raising river thin for value OTR.

I was going over a Uri video the other day and he talks about the benefit's of not cbetting range.

Basically when we cbet range we shrink the game tree into less nodes, which makes it easier for our opponent (and us). So we only have b/x/b lines and b/b/b lines.

But when we allow for X back's OTF we put our opponent in less familiar parts of the game tree. For example here, most players will just bet their top pair OTT as BB but that's a pretty big no no from a solver perspective.

I'd be interested in what villain had when you get the HH.
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08-04-2022 , 02:02 PM
Mostly cbet flop with this hand but you don't have to do it with 100% frequency, fold as played especially since 85 and T8 hit
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08-05-2022 , 06:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
I'd be interested in what villain had when you get the HH.
Spoiler:
He had AJo
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08-05-2022 , 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by newguyhere
Spoiler:
He had AJo
Thanks.

So nodelock Villain to probing all Ax OTT for 2/3 sizing and same sizing OTR. I bet a solver delays cbetting monster hands OTF as an exploit.

I'm thinking we basically shift our strategy to put the largest part of his river range (Ax) in 0 EV spots.

Which would mean developing a big raise strategy OTR and checking back AK/AQ/sets/2pair OTF.
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