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[LOW] SB donker pot-pot-pots vs. my flush blocker

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12-03-2021 , 09:33 AM

Unguarded

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Anonymous fast fold tables...

Ignition - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 107.92 BB
BB: 73.56 BB
UTG: 100 BB
CO: 202.36 BB
Hero (BTN): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, fold

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) K

SB bets 5.7 BB, Hero calls 5.7 BB

Turn: (17.4 BB, 2 players) T

SB bets 16.54 BB, Hero calls 16.54 BB

River: (50.48 BB, 2 players) 3

SB bets 47.96 BB, Hero?

I normally don't give donk bettors much respect, but the fact that he keeps choosing the pot sizing has me worried since that can be a strength tell from recs. Is villain's line spew often enough to make the river a call?

Thanks for any help!

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12-03-2021 , 09:47 AM

Haizemberg93

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I dont have any useful read if he is bluffing too much. I would just try to defend enough to prevent profitable bluffing on his end. You have bunch of 2p+ in this spot so you dont need too many one pair hands to call. I would rather call AK/AA even without diamond vs fish, but if you think KsQd is better call then AcKh then call KQ.

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12-03-2021 , 03:04 PM

JohnRusty

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It’s close. Sucks because you’re gonna look at the hand history and they’ll have KT or 97o occasionally. This is why I don’t like playing zone

I guess fold. Would snap a non-diamond runout. Agree that I’d rather call AK/AA no diamond

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12-03-2021 , 03:56 PM

DooDooPoker

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Would call this off pretty quickly. Can deduce he is most likely a fish based on PF/Flop play. Also he is most likely pretty wide here preflop which makes it more of a call.

Some data you might find interesting.

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12-04-2021 , 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

I understand AA since we unblock Kx which is nice, but why would AK no diamond be better than KQ with a diamond? Do you expect villain to have AK a decent amount I guess?

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

I don't use hand2note, so I might be misunderstanding these charts. It looks like typical villains are bluffing or betting worse a lot when they donk pot from the SB and triple, but these charts are for all turn and river sizes, right? I find that they often size down on the turn and/or river with their bluffs and keep bombing pot with their big hands. Thanks for the charts!

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12-04-2021 , 12:14 PM

JohnRusty

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I would expect villain to have KQ/AK somewhat often, so I’d rather have absolute hand strength

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12-04-2021 , 02:29 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by Unguarded

I understand AA since we unblock Kx which is nice, but why would AK no diamond be better than KQ with a diamond? Do you expect villain to have AK a decent amount I guess?

I don't use hand2note, so I might be misunderstanding these charts. It looks like typical villains are bluffing or betting worse a lot when they donk pot from the SB and triple, but these charts are for all turn and river sizes, right? I find that they often size down on the turn and/or river with their bluffs and keep bombing pot with their big hands. Thanks for the charts!

Yeah all flop/turn sizing's but not all river sizes. The charts are using 1/2 potish for the river.

We can see from the overall data that this river sizing is pretty balanced (by accident) from the fish. If he overbet river I could see folding but it is a wide range spot since we opened the BTN and I'm assuming he doesn't have some GTOish SB calling range.

I can see hands like A

X/87/98 all doing this and that is only logical bluffs. This guy could show up with 22.

Interested in results.

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12-04-2021 , 02:40 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

I would expect villain to have KQ/AK somewhat often, so I’d rather have absolute hand strength

I'd rather have KQo with a diamond than AKo no diamond.

It's true blockers mean less against fish since they are more linear but:

1) We block AK
2) AK probably 3bet's at some frequency preflop

That makes AK less likely than a random flush to me - which we want to block.

Also it's not obvious to me that AK uses this sizing. This seems more like a flush or bluff and less of a merged range.

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12-04-2021 , 08:18 PM

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Pooh-Bah

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I did call and Villain had AdJd for the turned nut flush. I remember thinking that I would fold KQ without a diamond, but I felt like my blocker was enough to swing it to a call. I still hated calling since recs tend to downsize on the turn or river with non-nutted hands.

Thanks for the advice everyone!

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