Feel cheated here everyday. Only played in the last couple of weeks but I think losing w AA to 52o on Q69 All In is the last straw for me.

There's something about rec players hitting a ton of hands, there's obviously sense in setting it up so that new acc or whatever hits a higher% of flops etc, but *sigh* I'm probably just paranoid.

Haha, I feel you, there´s actually a regfish that I used to bumhunt before that has been running so insane vs me for a long time, that it's gotten to the point that I now avoid him completely, fml.

Question for you and the OP.

Are you guys pretty big winners on other poker sites? Also, do you put in a lot of volume on WPN?

The reason I ask is because I just started playing on WPN a month ago. I use to be a very big winner on PS and ftp pre BF, I have a pretty big winrate on Carbon poker as well.

I played on WPN a few tables at a time originally and everything seemed fine. Then, one week, I went for the beast leaderboard race and ran into the most insane -all in ev run i'd seen in my life.

This week, I started putting in a ton of volume again (9-16 tables) and again, the all in equity was extremely weird.

http://imgur.com/umA9ASZ

http://imgur.com/smBWnJ9

I also asked the support what kind of shuffle they use and they have no information about it at all. Might pull out of this site in the mean time.

cry me a river

yes poker is random. Stop QQ and play more hands with your +EV or go work a desk job

this is a bit late but I would lay pretty solid odds against this being Alexander Grischuk. also a big fan

Just thought I'd add my two cents and let everyone know I have played on this site for about a year and have ran over aiEV for a decent amount of buy-ins. I'm not sure the last time I could say that about any site I've ever played on.

Maybe I've gotten worse over the years and now I'm in the "heater fish category" of ACR, though?

It's good to see a reg say they have run above EV on WPN. I played over 500k hands in 2014 on wpn and am pushing 40k below EV, with the majority of those hands played at .5/1, 1/2, and 2/4

And I'm 30k below ev on my new skin name.

how many buy ins below ev? how many hands?

A friend of mine brought up a good point. Shouldn't everyone be running below EV because of the CAP games?

When you are all in at a cap table, it doesn't show the other person's cards unless they win. So if you hit a 2 outer on someone, you never know, because their cards weren't shown and HEM will count the EV differential on that hand as zero. But that same hand in the other person's HEM will show the EV differential because he saw your cards because you won the hand.

It shows both hands when all in. I think I finished last year ~120BI under EV on WPN. It is what it is, just variance.

Well does it or doesn't it in cap games?

It shows when the player has 0 more chips left, they are literally all in. It doesn't show the cards when the cap has been reached and players can't bet anymore.

Ya I never play cap games. Just sat at the micros and shoved away and sure enough...I could only see the opponents cards when they beat me. Have you ever analyzed your stats by stake/game type? You may find your massively under EV on the cap games.

I don't play the cap games so i don't have any idea

It's not Grishuk. No one over 2750 would run this far below EV

Losing every flip, half the 80 20, all draws missing, multitabling and scoring break even to small or 20k profits, plus rb. I think i sign in.

So is sasha going to respond to if the cap games are the issue, or is he done with the thread and he's just pissed he doesn't really run like **** and deserve more. He also feels kind of stupid for complaining about it and doesn't want to admit it?

First, I feel sympathy for people running extraordinarily bad in this thread. I would probably quit poker and find something else to do. At the same time, there must be a similar number of people on the opposite end of the spectrum. I wonder how it feels to run like "god".

I'm with the conspiracy theorists. My winrate on Full/Tilt Stars is much higher than on Microgaming where it's like 1bb/100. I know variance is a big factor but I've played over a million hands on each and the games are incomparable. Midstakes on Micorgaming is so much softer. If it turn out fish accounts were juiced, whovever was in charge is getting a punch in the face and dick.

I have about 3k hands of cap total. You can take out 2-3k of that for cap... That still leaves about 140

Thank god this site is secondary to me now. I make way more playing live plo, and I started to play on another site, where I been running very hot last 2 month.

my lord LOL

Very fishy site to say the least. One or two accounts I suspect of being superusers but hard to prove anything! They play a strange style and seem to win vs me everytime. Guess best not to play with them as who knows how corrupt this site is.

Five minutes after you have determined that a site you're playing on is probably rigged, cash out and close your account. Why would anyone with any brains at all play on a site that they thought was rigged?