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07-08-2019 , 08:35 PM

DooDooPoker

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Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem $0.05(BB)
SB ($5.41) [VPIP: 31.7% | PFR: 24.6% | AGG: 44.9% | 3-Bet: 5.3% | Hands: 127]
BB ($3.59) [VPIP: 29.5% | PFR: 21.3% | AGG: 69.2% | 3-Bet: 16.1% | Hands: 61]
UTG ($2.50) [VPIP: 24.5% | PFR: 7.5% | AGG: 20% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 55]
HJ ($9.76) [VPIP: 26% | PFR: 4% | AGG: 19.4% | 3-Bet: 7.7% | Hands: 52]
HERO ($6.24) [VPIP: 26.6% | PFR: 22.4% | AGG: 33.1% | 3-Bet: 10.9% | Hands: 86446]
BTN ($8.87) [VPIP: 20.6% | PFR: 18.3% | AGG: 38.2% | 3-Bet: 4.3% | Hands: 134]

Dealt to Hero: 2

UTG Folds, HJ Calls $0.05, HERO Raises To $0.20, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls $0.15

Hero SPR on Flop: [12.85 effective]
Flop ($0.47): T

HJ Checks, HERO Bets $0.35 (Rem. Stack: 5.69), HJ Raises To $0.70 (Rem. Stack: 8.86), HERO Calls $0.35 (Rem. Stack: 5.34)

Turn ($1.87): T

HJ Checks, HERO Bets $1.25 (Rem. Stack: 4.09), HJ Calls $1.25 (Rem. Stack: 7.61)

River ($4.37): T

HJ Checks, HERO Bets $4.09 (allin)

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07-08-2019 , 08:39 PM

Tuma

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1.35

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07-08-2019 , 08:48 PM

simplelessons

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Trying to get a fish to fold top pair?

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07-08-2019 , 08:52 PM

Iblis

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I don't know, I'd never be comfortable running this kind of bluffs, they just look so random given the dry runout (my red line sucks though).
Villain looks like a sticky passive calling station, the click raise otf/x turn seems something a weak Qx or say 99/88 would do to "find where's at", also defined as "raising for info", which means that he could actually find a fold sometimes but who knows if he'll rather just say **** it and snapcall his QJs beacuse he feels like it.
Your line is nutted while he's most likely capped ott, but is it enough?
6 out of 10 just beacuse it's you.

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07-08-2019 , 08:54 PM

simplelessons

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Oh I missed the flop minraise. Fold flop.

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07-08-2019 , 08:56 PM

thegibson

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did he hero call you with JJ?

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07-08-2019 , 09:04 PM

DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by simplelessons

Oh I missed the flop minraise. Fold flop.

Even with 3 backdoor draws?

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07-08-2019 , 09:28 PM

simplelessons

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Even with 3 backdoor draws?

How much equity is that? Do you really want to try to make money off fish from backdoors when we can just abusive them with good hands?

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07-08-2019 , 09:35 PM

Darth_Maul

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Bluffing into a guy who min-x/raises you on the flop...

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07-08-2019 , 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by simplelessons

How much equity is that? Do you really want to try to make money off fish from backdoors when we can just abusive them with good hands?

Depends what his range is but every Backdoor draw is like ~4%

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07-08-2019 , 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Depends what his range is but every Backdoor draw is like ~4%

So we should fold flop.

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07-08-2019 , 10:11 PM

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simplelessons

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

Depends what his range is but every Backdoor draw is like ~4%

I think it's a stretch. I think you could maybe build a case around v having j9 and kj and then check back river, but based on your river line you don't think he has that. So now you are trying to get him to fold a hand that he raised with and then called a raise with. I don't think it's crazy for this guy to get sticky with a draw, so I'd much rather take my sdv and see what hand he has.

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07-08-2019 , 10:31 PM

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Ojune

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classic no eq bluff

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07-08-2019 , 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by simplelessons

yeah i think hands like these are just killing my WR. I keep trying to bluff opponents who show strength.

Villain snap called with KQo.

Like you said - i should probably take my SDV and just give up since I do beat some of his draws.

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07-08-2019 , 10:44 PM

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Don't bluff fish. Like, ever. I told myself not to do that at 2nlz, and still at 5nlz. Occasionally I convince myself to bluff a fish, they almost always call. I had a guy call 3rd pair when the flush and multiple straights come in recently. Just don't bluff fish. Save the bluffs for people who have a fold button on their screen.

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07-08-2019 , 10:47 PM

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yes definitely my biggest leak.

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07-08-2019 , 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by simplelessons

How much equity is that? Do you really want to try to make money off fish from backdoors when we can just abusive them with good hands?

a backdoor that actually hits is a good hand lol, especially vs a minraising fish who thinks he has the nuts since thats why they minraise.

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07-08-2019 , 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by javi

a backdoor that actually hits is a good hand lol, especially vs a minraising fish who thinks he has the nuts since thats why they minraise.

Sure it's a good hand 4% of the time and the other 96% its not.

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07-08-2019 , 11:17 PM

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Anyway cbetting with the backdoor and calling a minraise BUT ONLY minraise is fine. The bluff is pure suicide, especially on a on a bone dry texture like this where villain can raise with confidence knowing his hand stands little chance of being outdrawn and with you repping absolutely nothing other than some terribly complex fancy play with AA that villain would never see coming anyway.

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07-08-2019 , 11:20 PM

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AQ/QQ/TT/33/QTs/KK/AA/KQ/A3s = nothing?

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07-08-2019 , 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by simplelessons

Sure it's a good hand 4% of the time and the other 96% its not.

pretty sure rivering the nuts is good 100% of the time

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07-08-2019 , 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker

AQ/QQ/TT/33/QTs/KK/AA/KQ/A3s = nothing?

The problem with trying to rep a set is that villain check raised us, so we know he has blockers to some of those hands. Whether he see's it that way or not, at a minimum he feels confident about his hand so therein lies the problem with ever bluffing him.

Another issue is just general hand representation among low stakes players. He probably doesnt raise QT or A3 himself, so he never puts us on those kind of 2 pair combos when we show aggression. If anything he's just confused by our line, looks down at whatever he has and feels he has to go with it.

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07-09-2019 , 01:52 AM

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Swedishmonkey

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flopcall 1/10

turnbet 2/10

River 2/10.

Think you can check river. Villain likely won't fold TP regardless of riversizing. You still beat all the OESD. Same goes for turn.

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07-09-2019 , 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by javi

pretty sure rivering the nuts is good 100% of the time

4% of the time it's good every time!

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07-09-2019 , 02:54 PM

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amazin lazer

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you do rep quite a bit, but you chose the wrong player type. The iso is obviously fine, but I just shut down a lot when I get limp called and the c-bet gets called or played back at. The flat is pretty loose, I don't think this combo is ever continued in theory, we have gutshots / open enders / Tx / Qx etc with backdoors to continue, this is way down in range, and we are looking to catch perfect - perfect or run a multi street bluff, imo not very wise against someone limp calling and then fishclicking flop.

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