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04-14-2024 , 11:49 PM

TripleBerryJam

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River is 72bb

Pre I'm mixing since they seem reasonably aggressive, game is minimum VPIP so it'll be a bit looser

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04-15-2024 , 12:04 AM

DooDooPoker

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I'd raise flop since they over cbet/over fold.

As played it's a fold according to MDA.

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04-15-2024 , 12:05 AM

billylean

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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam

River is 72bb

Pre I'm mixing since they seem reasonably aggressive, game is minimum VPIP so it'll be a bit looser

Maybe im not one to judge but why are you calling 4bets with 99

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04-15-2024 , 06:11 AM

swerbs22

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Maybe im not one to judge but why are you calling 4bets with 99

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He explained why.

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04-15-2024 , 06:16 AM

billylean

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Originally Posted by swerbs22

He explained why.

Where i didnt see a valid explanation are you talking about where he said they were aggressive cause thats still no reason to call i dont like you btw so keep the responses to a minimum

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04-15-2024 , 08:14 AM

DeeKayBee

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Where i didnt see a valid explanation are you talking about where he said they were aggressive cause thats still no reason to call

You wouldn't see a winning strategy if it was served to you on a plate. I recommend for you to avoid comenting on treads made by winning or trying to win players.

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04-15-2024 , 09:08 AM

swerbs22

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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam

1. Pre I'm mixing since they seem reasonably aggressive,

2. game is minimum VPIP so it'll be a bit looser

For you Billy.

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04-15-2024 , 09:10 AM

billylean

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Originally Posted by DeeKayBee

You wouldn't see a winning strategy if it was served to you on a plate. I recommend for you to avoid comenting on treads made by winning or trying to win players.

Hehe ok keep on ‘trying’

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04-15-2024 , 11:25 AM

TripleBerryJam

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Ok this one's a bit too easy so new information:

He tanked river maybe 30 seconds which I viewed as weaker

My only showdowns were him going B-X-B with ace high and B-B-B with a turned flush.

Fold to river probe was 2/2

Hadn't 4-bet shoved

Probably not enough but I'm curious how much weight people would put into it

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04-15-2024 , 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam

He tanked river maybe 30 seconds which I viewed as weaker

I've never seen a reg tank this long and jam as a bluff.

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04-15-2024 , 11:40 AM

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TripleBerryJam

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

I've never seen a reg tank this long and jam as a bluff.

Anecdotally it feels like the opposite to me, but even if the difference is 30% weak vs 35% I doubt that's possible to notice since it's a rare spot and you're supposed to lose 2/3 of the time

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04-15-2024 , 11:48 AM

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DooDooPoker

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

I've never seen a reg tank this long and jam as a bluff.

Agreed overly long tank is usually a reverse tell type deal and value heavy.

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04-15-2024 , 11:58 AM

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Haizemberg93

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I also think tank jam is stronger. Most regs feel dumb to bluff like that, more likely to be thin value imho.

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04-15-2024 , 12:30 PM

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dude45

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Originally Posted by newguyhere

I've never seen a reg tank this long and jam as a bluff.

Me neither but admittedly i can count the times i've faced a super long tank one hand.

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04-15-2024 , 12:33 PM

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What about the sizing on the river. I watched Saulo vid and he said the larger the bets the less likely its a bluff but i think he was talking about recs

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04-15-2024 , 12:34 PM

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TripleBerryJam

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Made the fish "I put him on AK" call and he had AKo no club

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04-16-2024 , 12:09 PM

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Ceres

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According to Mr GTO we can stab turn with our lower PPs that called flop, Put an end to this kind of nonsense

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04-16-2024 , 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ceres

According to Mr GTO we can stab turn with our lower PPs that called flop, Put an end to this kind of nonsense

kinda weird that it wants to stab on a turn Queen.

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04-16-2024 , 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dude45

kinda weird that it wants to stab on a turn Queen.

Yeah that is weird. Most guys cbet range OTF though and a solver is mixing pretty heavy so the Qx advantage isn't as important in real life.

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