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01-12-2010 , 01:46 AM
Villain is 32/24/inf over 25 hands

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 471523
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UTG: $49.25
MP: $32.75
CO: $66.70
Hero (BTN): $55.30
SB: $24.05
BB: $62.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, CO calls $4

Flop: ($12.75) 7 T J (2 players)
CO bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($27.75) 4 (2 players)
CO bets $18, Hero calls $18

River: ($63.75) 3 (2 players)
CO bets $24, Hero calls $23.80 all in


1) When do I fold? 2) Why am I lately spewing so much with 1 pair hands?

Spoiler:
Answer 2: Because I am a fish
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01-12-2010 , 02:11 AM
Pretty tough hand for me, villain must have played his hand really well. I think that if you call the turn you might as well raise it yourself in case he has something like AKh, but other than that, I don't think you could have done anything until you have a read on this guy.
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01-12-2010 , 03:01 AM
I call at least the flop. The turn is questionable. 77, TT, JJ and JT, 89 are those that beat you. You beat AJ, KJ hands..

Looks like 89 to me tho. I am folding the turn, but not sure in game.

BTW, nice PF raise.
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01-12-2010 , 03:05 AM
Given his stats I did think that Jx was large part of his range. I do have a lot of problems when people donk into me. I think my decisions might have been easier if I raised the flop.
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01-12-2010 , 03:15 AM
Given his stats and how the hand played out it is not spew at all to stack QQ here.
NH op.
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01-12-2010 , 06:17 AM
raise more pre.

probably raise flop/get it in.

getting donked into in a 3bet pot really sucks though lol
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01-12-2010 , 06:19 AM
he raises - given numbers I guess he raises everything 9s+, the call probably means 10s+ hoping to hit his set against your stack as he is still in the money and he figures he is behind.

I think he is most likely going to have JJ or 1010 less likely to be 7s but is still in there just in case. co-ordinated board etc...he bets out you want to know whether your in trouble now given the flop has not been kind to you other than you have an overpair. there are just now a few hands that make sense that are ahead of you.

I re-raise flop probably 2x which will be about what you called by the turn anyway. i think he probably shoves then (if he calls it is the same and your done with the hand) and you now know he is ahead. if he hit after the turn he probably folds then....and you win the pot. there is no point in calling and hoping you need info and you will definately save money finding that info out on the flop rather than at the end.

Still i do this alot as well...it is an area that i really struggle to see that i may be behind until it is too late and even when I think i am in trouble I still rationalise all those idiots out there that would do the same action with a loose A10....anyway....the co-ordinated board should have saved you though.
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01-12-2010 , 06:46 AM
I'm pretty sure you can stack off vs this villain profitably... AJ is definitely in his range and I've seen people with similar stats 3-barrel AK UI here...

NH sir.

~gtp
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01-12-2010 , 07:36 AM
why would we raise when villain has either 5 or 6 outs when he's spazzing ?
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01-12-2010 , 08:19 AM
Hmmm, I think ppl stack off pretty easy here?

We have 25 hands on villain, that's little over 2 rounds... He could have had a few nice cards, steal a lot from LP, etc in order to get these stats. He could be very loose pre but play pretty much fit or fold post. Basically, I doubt if we can really conclude enough to stack off with a (small) overpair here?

I prolly call flop as well, in case he takes a stab but once he fires the turn like that we know stacks are going in... I don't feel comfortable doing that when we only beat something like AJ or someone going crazy with AK or an underpair?

Sure, it DOES happen but once we 3bet pre and call flop I think he'll slow down with his crap leaving only stuff valuetowning us.

Why would he donk, because he's oop perhaps? Afraid you'll check behind, thinking you're not folding AA or KK when he donks this flop with his TT or JJ where you might escape when he raises?

I dunno, it just seems very easy to say 'stacking off is fine vs this villain' while we only have reads based on 20-ish hands where I seemed to also have learned that stacking off with just one pair isn't good. (That and the 'ppl play more straightforward in 3bet pots').
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01-12-2010 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dagrim1
Hmmm, I think ppl stack off pretty easy here?

We have 25 hands on villain, that's little over 2 rounds... He could have had a few nice cards, steal a lot from LP, etc in order to get these stats. He could be very loose pre but play pretty much fit or fold post. Basically, I doubt if we can really conclude enough to stack off with a (small) overpair here?

I prolly call flop as well, in case he takes a stab but once he fires the turn like that we know stacks are going in... I don't feel comfortable doing that when we only beat something like AJ or someone going crazy with AK or an underpair?

Sure, it DOES happen but once we 3bet pre and call flop I think he'll slow down with his crap leaving only stuff valuetowning us.

Why would he donk, because he's oop perhaps? Afraid you'll check behind, thinking you're not folding AA or KK when he donks this flop with his TT or JJ where you might escape when he raises?

I dunno, it just seems very easy to say 'stacking off is fine vs this villain' while we only have reads based on 20-ish hands where I seemed to also have learned that stacking off with just one pair isn't good. (That and the 'ppl play more straightforward in 3bet pots').

I don't disagree completely with you. I would like to have more hands before making this call down. But lets focus on what we do have instead...

Villain has voluntarily put money in the pot in 8 (6 of them he has been the PFR) of the 25 hands he has played. In every single instance where he has had a chance to bet/raise post flop... he has...

It's not a ton of information, but it is some, and it is the best information we have to go on... and in this instance with an overpair... I think this is a +EV calldown... one way or the other we will have more information after the hand is over...

~gtp
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01-12-2010 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by gtpoker828
I don't disagree completely with you. I would like to have more hands before making this call down. But lets focus on what we do have instead...

Villain has voluntarily put money in the pot in 8 (6 of them he has been the PFR) of the 25 hands he has played. In every single instance where he has had a chance to bet/raise post flop... he has...

It's not a ton of information, but it is some, and it is the best information we have to go on... and in this instance with an overpair... I think this is a +EV calldown... one way or the other we will have more information after the hand is over...

~gtp
I see your point and partially agree...

But then again, af of inf means he either bets or folds. He just doesn't call... afaik checks aren't included so he could also have check/folded a nr of flops?

But if villain has relentlessly been betting every flop he's seen for multiple streets, then sure... call down. As a default I don't like stacking off with a small overpair though so I'm perhaps too careful here
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01-12-2010 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dagrim1
I see your point and partially agree...

But then again, af of inf means he either bets or folds. He just doesn't call... afaik checks aren't included so he could also have check/folded a nr of flops?

But if villain has relentlessly been betting every flop he's seen for multiple streets, then sure... call down. As a default I don't like stacking off with a small overpair though so I'm perhaps too careful here
I always forget that AF doesn't include checks (why I use AFrq)... that does mean that he could be check/folding a lot as well... so it would indicate that he is fit/fold... and it is only 25 hands... but with his aggressive PF stats I would lean toward aggrodonk...

*shrug* certainly makes it closer IMO...

~gtp
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