Ok UTG/MP (5 handed) stats: 14/12/7.0 over 86 hands.

BTN caller stats: 16/10/3.5 over 59 hands.


IPoker Network $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $125.94
SB: $77.29
Hero (BB): $68.73
UTG: $50.00
CO: $72.99

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, BTN calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) T 8 J (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.75, BTN calls $4.75, Hero calls $4.75

Turn: ($20.50) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $13.25, BTN folds, Hero calls $13.25

River: ($47.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $30.00, Hero calls $30

OK whats my decisions like throughout the hand street by street? Do u call off here on the river?

Many thanks.

3b pre

I would like to donk/fold this flop, because it makes my life just that much easier.

Turn is probably a fold or shove, based on reads(usually just fold). Shoving is ok if we think villain can fold overpairs and call NFD+pair type hands.

River, as played we have to call here imo. We're not calling turn to hit our gin card on the river just to fold it.

I think you played this way too passive. Even against nits / tight tags you crush their range preflop so raise. Flop I'd raise the C bet and look to get it in. As played I think you have to fold or get it in on the turn.

I don't know why you played the hand so passively. At this stage you only have a bluffcatcher.

He would have to have been barrelling with complete air this whole time because if he has a set or op without the Ad or Kd he would likely check back the river and be happy to take a showdown. This is almost never worse imo.

i have a question so we 3 bet pre utg 4bets btn folds

whats optimal now as villian is a nit

I think this is a pretty normal 3b/f against this nit. He's only 4betting AA/KK here, Maybe sometimes QQ/AKs. We are way behind.

86 hands 14/12 => [ ] nit

If I'm 3betting I'm shoving over a 4bet.

What do you think villain will 4b with that you're ahead of?

This situation is the definition of a perfect squeeze spot for Hero in the BB with 2 TAGs in the pot. Most regs know this and will play back with a ton of weak hands - I've seen supposed 14/12 "nits" ship it preflop with pocket 3's in such a situation. Also, over 86 hands, it's just as likely that this guy is more like a 20/18 than a nit... there's no reason to think his 4bet range is strictly QQ+ or whatever based on the info we have.

Edit: And even against QQ+, AK we have 40% so with the money in the pot we can't really fold once we 3bet.

I don't think it's THAT standard a squeeze spot seeing as both players are very nitty thus far, so if villain knows we might be squeezing he should also realize that the BTN is pretty nitty as well, and our perceived range of his own UTG opening range is quite small.

After 86 hands, sure he could turn out to be a 20/18 tag. He could also turn out to be a 5/4 ubernit. That's entirely besides the point because this is the information we have now and this is the information we have to base our decision on. Obviously, if we had seen THIS villain 4b a squeeze lightly before, this would be a snap shove to the 4b. But as this isn't the case, I would have to go with a standard 3b/f until villain proves he's not as nitty as perceived, or shows a light 4b.

I think AKo isn't that big a part of his 4betting range here. I think, usually this player would be more likely to flat a 3b IP with AKo. Maybe AKs is 4betting, but the same probably goes for that as well. If we just leave out AKo and leave AKs in, it's suddenly a 70/30 situation(clear fold).

The standard play with AKo/AKs here is to 4bet... who in their right mind wants to flat here and allow BTN to come along, especially given the size of the pot? I don't think you'll find many players even nits who will not 4bet AK here unless Hero has been a total nit.

I don't think it's standard to 4b with AK there. Especially a nit may want to flat, but I think flatting in general is not bad at all in this spot, especially because BTN may come along with a hand like AQ/AJs.

I generally don't always try get it in with AK pre-flop full stacked, especially not against nitty players.

I just don't think that squeeze/folding QQ is anything but burning money, unless we have conclusive evidence (in terms of stats + sample size) that we're crushed when faced with a 4bet.

River is a fold.

You only beat 9x 9d. AK without a diamond slows down on the Turn.

Pre-flop I would prefer a 3-bet/squeeze for value and call a 4bet/shove. Plus calling a shove diminishes your positional disadvantage. Once the money is in the middle you cant be outplayed.

Maybe I am wrong, but dont see how a 14/12 ever bluffs in this spot.

You really had to raise that up preflop, by playing so passively you put yourself in a difficult spot on multiple streets in that hand. If you called the turn there then you must have done it with an eye on hitting the flush. Once you hit the flush on the river then maybe a blocking bet might be an idea. If he doesn't have the Ad he probably won't be raising it, if he does then he will.

Thanks for the feedback all. Much appreciated.

GL