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10-08-2009 , 01:40 AM
Villain is 26/21 with 3-bet of 3% over 200 hands. Seemed solid, nothing out of line.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $41.70
Hero (CO): $61.65
BTN: $50.00
SB: $72.35
BB: $75.95
UTG: $51.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Q Q
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, BTN raises to $8, 3 folds, Hero calls $5.75

Flop: ($17.25) 6 9 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($17.25) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, BTN calls $11

River: ($39.25) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Preflop: I mix up my 4-bet range with QQ, just so happened this time I decided to play a flop since I have seen villain do this with less in position.

Flop: I was willing to c/f to a heavy C-bet at this point, but his check behind didn't seem like a very standard play if he had a big hand, regardless of the board texture. KK is still within his range.

Turn: I wasn't completely sure if I was ahead (there are no monsters in his range that would check that flop IMO, so I didn't think he was slow-playing), but since there was a high chance villain had KK and could possibly fold believing I'm repping an Ace, I decided to stab. I didn't expect to get value out of worse hands (maybe JJ with spade?), so I suppose I was turning my QQ into a bluff (though to 2nd nut flush). I was going to make a pot-size bluff on the river to a brick if he called, or check/call any reasonable bet if a spade hits.

River: I thought the K was an awful card based on my plan on the turn and slowed down.

Any criticism on my thought-process would be appreciated. Thanks
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10-08-2009 , 02:23 AM
4bet pre
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10-08-2009 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by metski
4bet pre
This.

You're OOP and a decent villain at this level might think you are raising light from LP, trying to isolate the station. I think you're at the top of your perceived range which is a very good place to be and you are probably ahead of villain's 4Bet calling range IP on this basis.
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10-08-2009 , 07:36 AM
imho vnh! obv not 4bet vs 3% 3bet.
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10-08-2009 , 07:53 AM
yeah 4bet pre ez game.
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10-08-2009 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ZekaMeka
imho vnh! obv not 4bet vs 3% 3bet.
It's reasonable to assume that villain's 3bet range from the button, especially when CO raises to isolate, is considerably greater than 3%. Even it weren't, we've got very good equity against a 3% range (JJ+ / AK / AKs)
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10-08-2009 , 09:14 AM
Get it in pre. Easy game.
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10-08-2009 , 12:12 PM
I prefer getting it in here being OOP; I don't think flatting is bad ever with the intention of catching bluffs and so on, but in this spot it's difficult to get value.

Postflop is, hmmm. Turn bet can be somewhat dangerous, but vs some villains it's absolutely fine. It's not bad, but it's a villain dependent line. I don't hate just checking down. He has JJ or occasionally Ax anyway (I expect Ax to cbet for protection a fair amount).

Last edited by Nostalgica; 10-08-2009 at 12:35 PM.
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10-08-2009 , 12:20 PM
4bet/call pre

rest of hand is fine imo
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10-08-2009 , 01:06 PM
I like it alot, thought process is goot, don't be a donk and shove and post too many hands in the BBV, flatting is perfectly fine, so is shoving but it should never be a standard.
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10-08-2009 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9
flatting is perfectly fine, so is shoving but it should never be a standard.
My thoughts also. As I said, 4-bet is fine, but I think villain-specific, it'll allow him to play perfectly every time.

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but in this spot it's difficult to get value
This was my primary concern as well. I like playing post-flop and know that since many players are petrified to see a board, I felt I should give myself an opportunity to extract max. or lose min. However, I suppose being OOP mitigates skill in this situation.


Thanks for the input everyone
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