Looking fwd to NOTHING being done.... fkn joke really

Say that again with a straight face Louise.

how can we recognize bots? are they actually playing micro stakes (as NL20 ?)

If these "bots" also play HU (ie when a table isn't filled yet) it would be pretty easy to rape them, right?

they only play hu for a short amount of time.

so many people who have no clue making terrible posts and clouding the issue. if you are gonna go to support - please read both the threads so you are at least informed about what has been going on.

Please guys dont out any bots names or more specific styles on a public forum. I f u play ipoker mid-high stakes you know who the bots r, if u dont u dont need 2 know.

cheers

not saying things will be done, but with the up most respect to AdminLouise things have gone up the chain.

does anyone have a list of the suspected bots that they could pm me? thanks

(xpost from hsnl **** thread)



About those bots..





This is a graph of some of the suspected bots/clones from the last few months. I don't have anywhere near all the hands that they might have played, and I'm positive I don't know all the limits they play, or all their names, but this should be a pretty decent sample from iPoker+Party for 2/4 to 10/20 (including pound/euro games). This graph is from an alias of 104 accounts on HEM winning at 4.12 bb/100. If we go back a year or two, the number of accounts increases significantly. These aren't breakeven RB accounts... add the iPoker 50%+ RB possible and the profits are insane.

I could make a really long post about these players but I feel like that would just educate the people controlling it all. Not hard to see that we're all getting fcked by them one way or another.

If someone reputable wants to look more into this, please feel free to contact me. I'd be happy to give you all my notes on them, including all the suspected nicks I've collected, and most importantly a collection of datamined hand histories that'll have a ton of their play going back years.

geeforce, based on my 5 minute skimming of this thread and your last post i have determined you are infact the bot master who cleverly tried to start a skype group with regs to dicuss their counter strats to your bots so you could counter their counters.

dont lie. i know its true.

I have reported in the last 2 months over 5 players on low stakes that are bots playing 9/6 , one guy even 0/0 over 500 hands sample and then suddenly he became super agro 3b 40% of hands (after like a week)
All I got are email answers after few days that they have invastigated and that this players are not bots.

they take millions out of the poker economy and now people crack jokes... awesome...

Anything worth taking seriously is worth making fun of =)

After reading the entire thread though, it seems very likely to me that they are bots indeed. This also seems to be the consensus within the thread. Worthy of further investigation.

ty genius...ive read this through, and can say with 100% honesty they are bots, and its very scary for the poker economy

OK, after the graph, are there any skeptics left?

U half got me. I started the skype group to sweat the regs tho. Bots play perfect now for 1 last hurrah

I recall when these "bots" first came onto Ipoker 18 months or so go (they were alot less sophisticated than the current versions) they all had weird Eastern European type names..

Was wondering from looking at this whether there are bot farms being run out of Belarus..

http://www.pokertableratings.com/top-countries

Malta and Gibraltar could easily be outliers due to the small sample of hands and players but there is clearly some structured profit making going on in Belarus..

nb these statistics only show Full Tilt and Party Poker, I believe, where the bots also operated - would be interesting for PTR to divulge this information for ipoker..

Reading this thread makes me angry and disgusted at everything in the poker world.

I have gone through the 58 suspected bot accounts i have been given and found close to 500k hands (my earlier DB got wiped in a laptop throwing incident, if not it would have been more)

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obviously some of the bots are more sophisticated than others, which is not represented in this 58 account grouping (some bots are fairly big winners). Some people are going to comment that 10k isnt very much in 500k hands, but that overlooks the bigger picture about the future of online poker as these bots get better.

Has anyone ever with a large enough database check whether these bots softplay vs eachother or not.

I know this was seen as a possibility way back because of their combined high vpip high wtsd w$sd and wwsf. It's pretty insane having a 30+/30/55/50 on this. Which was not uncommon among the bots.

Getting sites too acknowledge this as a problem and getting them to be forced to step in is probably easier with proof of colluding/cheating than with trying to prove that these are bots because sites will try spinning this every way as long as they don't have to admit to having bots running on their site.

Agree... as an industry going forward i cant see much upside... shame really cause its a great game being ruined by a few - scumbags and persons who prefer to sit on their hands rather than acknowledge the issues...

could just be a handful of sickos there; i could count a handful of msnl players i see with belarus as their location.

they would all be operating on a handful of machines running VMs with VPNs anyway (ie. IP addresses from all over the world), there's no reason for them to be physically located in belarus.

Found one on Merge, if anyone wants to confirm please send me a PM. He's got the exact same playing style.

I haven't seen any Belarus players that have that style. I've chatted with lots of them too.

Yes but if these are just the hands in which you were present gee it's likely more if we remove you from the equation, I'd imagine you play better against them than most. If Listenmate is following this I'd like to see his version (no disrespect intended Stu), he has to have played as much against them.