Possible collusion/softplaying/botting on 1knl on iPoker. - Page 14 - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

lol @ 50+ players playing perfectly identical stats over large samplesizes and sharing the exact same playstyle not being bots.

I can not believe the way they are dealing with this issue.
The happenings of the last few month let online poker stand in a very shady light.

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09-23-2011 , 09:58 AM

#328

shipit2kg

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Seriously, things are going the wrong direction, quickly. It's an opportune time to step up and do something about this to protect the integrity of the games.

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09-23-2011 , 11:00 AM

#329

harangutang

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Originally Posted by RollinHand

These bots have to be cyborgs. There has to be a human controlling/monitoring the action right? So that probably makes it harder to detect.

Not sure if you are partly joking, but I wouldn't be surprised if this was in someway the case.

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09-23-2011 , 11:08 AM

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roblin

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Originally Posted by RollinHand

These bots have to be cyborgs. There has to be a human controlling/monitoring the action right? So that probably makes it harder to detect.

read the bot forums, they usually have someone there to monitor and write captchas.

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09-23-2011 , 11:16 AM

#331

RollinHand

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Yeah that's kinda what I was thinking... so sad.

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09-23-2011 , 11:52 AM

#332

10K-in-Clay

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you'd think they would get better chairs.

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09-23-2011 , 12:28 PM

#333

deathorglory0

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Originally Posted by 10K-in-Clay

you'd think they would get better chairs.

lol +1, i guess they only sit in them for 5 mins at a time... unlike the rest of us who need to put the ****ing hours in.

something needs to be done about this.

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09-23-2011 , 12:30 PM

#334

horse84

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Originally Posted by roblin

read the bot forums, they usually have someone there to monitor and write captchas.

which explains why bots leave when you rape them, they also adjust in certain spots

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09-23-2011 , 01:44 PM

#335

TheMetetrown

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Can someone PM me the general characteristics of them these days. Just found out about this and I'd like to keep a look out.

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09-23-2011 , 07:45 PM

#336

kruli

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Clearly no individual is keen to step up and take on the challenge of an investigation with some monetary compensation. Would regs (across all affected networks) be interested in donating to an escrowed account to give someone an incentive to investigate this fully?

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09-23-2011 , 08:09 PM

#337

Hank.Scorpio

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So, are these bots good?

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09-23-2011 , 09:08 PM

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ChrisV

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Why on Earth does that bot room have so many monitors? Why not get a switching device? I suppose I should stop giving them ideas...

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09-23-2011 , 09:09 PM

#339

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by Hank.Scorpio

So, are these bots good?

Not really the point. They're good enough to take money out of the economy.

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09-23-2011 , 09:11 PM

#340

Hank.Scorpio

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Not really the point. They're good enough to take money out of the economy.

Just curious.

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09-23-2011 , 10:41 PM

#341

MaxChart

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They are pretty decent overall and very good against fishes.

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09-23-2011 , 10:44 PM

#342

Hank.Scorpio

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So, I should learn how to make bots?

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09-23-2011 , 10:58 PM

#343

***

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Originally Posted by kruli

What can any person without access to the sites' point of view do? I honestly want to know if you can think of anything. The disappearance of all the accounts after being outed is the most damning thing, and even that is circumstantial. What could an outsider prove, and how?

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09-24-2011 , 05:49 AM

#344

roblin

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

Why on Earth does that bot room have so many monitors? Why not get a switching device? I suppose I should stop giving them ideas...

captchas and to fool some anti bot measures.

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09-24-2011 , 05:58 AM

#345

roblin

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Originally Posted by Hank.Scorpio

So, are these bots good?

they are better than me

I was better than them about a year ago but they have improved.

they beat mid->high stakes, I almost dont anymore. but they put in a ton of volume, even the known amount of hands is huge. the unknown hands on lower stakes and at other sites etc is likely very big, down there people are less aware. we are talking millions of dollars net won known, likely much more unkown.

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09-24-2011 , 07:53 AM

#346

kruli

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Originally Posted by ***

I was thinking of something similar to AP/UB fiasco. If the networks were willing to cooperate and provide data (hand histories) I'm sure someone could prove the statistical unlikelihood of multiple suspected accounts all having such similar stats.

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09-24-2011 , 12:01 PM

#347

ChrisV

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Originally Posted by roblin

captchas and to fool some anti bot measures.

I don't get it. You know what I mean by a monitor switching device right? You can display any computer's output on the one monitor? If by "captchas" you mean they have to monitor every computer's output simultaneously in case a captcha comes up, that is a seriously inefficient way of doing it.